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I fail to see how I can "back away" from something I never seriously proposed in the first place.

The last remaining stable portion of the Greenland ice sheet is stable no more, an international team of scientists has discovered. The finding will likely boost estimates of expected global sea level rise in the future. The new result focuses on ice loss due to a major retreat of an outlet glacier connected to a long "river" of ice -- known as an ice stream -- that drains ice from the interior of the ice sheet.

Good for them. Looks like they're finally learning.

You don't talk to flat earthers when plotting a trip around the world
You don't consult homeopath's when you're looking for treatments to cancer
You don't ask Libertarians for advice about the economy
And you don't pretend that global warming skeptics have anything useful to say about anything...

Geneva, 24 March 2014 – The year 2013 once again demonstrated the dramatic impact of droughts, heat waves, floods and tropical cyclones on people and property in all parts of the planet, according to the World Meteorological Organization’s Annual Statement on the Status of the Climate. The report confirmed that 2013 tied with 2007 as the sixth warmest on record, continuing the long-term global warming trend. It provided a snapshot of regional and national temperatures and extreme events as well as details of ice cover, ocean warming, sea level rise and greenhouse gas concentrations – all inter-related and consistent indicators of our changing climate.

Thirteen of the fourteen warmest years on record have all occurred in the 21st century, and each of the last three decades has been warmer than the previous one, culminating with 2001-2010 as the warmest decade on record. The average global land and ocean surface temperature in 2013 was 14.5°C (58.1°F) – 0.50°C (0.90°F) above the 1961–1990 average and 0.03°C (0.05°F) higher than the 2001–2010 decadal average. Temperatures in many parts of the southern hemisphere were especially warm, with Australia having its hottest year on record and Argentina its second hottest.

“Naturally occurring phenomena such as volcanic eruptions or El Niño and La Niña events have always contributed to frame our climate, influenced temperatures or caused disasters like droughts and floods. But many of the extreme events of 2013 were consistent with what we would expect as a result of human-induced climate change. We saw heavier precipitation, more intense heat, and more damage from storm surges and coastal flooding as a result of sea level rise - as Typhoon Haiyan so tragically demonstrated in the Philippines,” said WMO Secretary-General, Mr Michel Jarraud.

“There is no standstill in global warming,” said Mr Jarraud. The warming of our oceans has accelerated, and at lower depths. More than 90 percent of the excess energy trapped by greenhouse gases is stored in the oceans. Levels of these greenhouse gases are at record levels, meaning that our atmosphere and oceans will continue to warm for centuries to come. The laws of physics are non-negotiable.”

WMO’s statement, which is an internationally recognized authoritative source of information, highlights the key climate events of 2013:

• Typhoon Haiyan (Yolanda), one of the strongest storms to ever make landfall, devastated parts of the central Philippines.
  
• Surface air temperatures over land in the Southern Hemisphere were very warm, with widespread heat waves; Australia saw record warmth for the year, and Argentina its second warmest year and New Zealand its third warmest.
  
• Frigid polar air plummeted into parts of Europe and the southeast United States.
  
• Angola, Botswana and Namibia were gripped by severe drought.
  
• Heavy monsoon rains led to severe floods on the India-Nepal border.
  
• Heavy rains and floods impacted northeast China and the eastern Russian Federation.
  
• Heavy rains and floods affected Sudan and Somalia.
  
• Major drought affected southern China.
  
• Northeastern Brazil experienced its worst drought in the past 50 years.
  
• The widest tornado ever observed struck El Reno, Oklahoma in the United States.
  
• Extreme precipitation led to severe floods in Europe’s Alpine region and in Austria, Czech Republic, Germany, Poland, and Switzerland.
  
• Israel, Jordan, and Syria were struck by unprecedented snowfall.
  
• Greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere reached record highs.
  
• The global oceans reached new record high sea levels.
  
• The Antarctic sea ice extent reached a record daily maximum.

You forgot don't talk to climate modelers when looking for future temperature prediction.

No one denies global warming these days, the evidence is just too strong: WMO Annual Climate Statement Highlights Extreme Events


So we can't be too surprised when apologists for the polluters start to claim that global warming is actually a good thing. A list of the key climate events of 2013 puts that claim into perspective:


While we all have our local weather issues to deal with, it's sobering to see a list of what's happened globally.

How else would you go about predicting future temperatures?

Yet, every official statement says that there is no link between CO2 and "extreme" weather events. Not only that but that the last few decades, as global temperatures have recently risen slightly, have seen fewer and less severe extremes than in recorded history.

How about using scientific research and data?

C'mon now. For a bit there you had an idea that you figured would make you "richer than Bill Gates," and you didn't start to back-pedal until I got you thinking about how your "government fiat" would affect your warm showers.

Living on higher ground won't be a guarantee of safety. The people living in low areas are going to move higher no matter who owns the property there.

PassedOut, on 2014-March-23, 19:24, said:

Tell you what. You have no (*^**^ clue what I was thinking when I made that post. So just stop, right here, trying to tell me what I was thinking.

No one denies global warming these days, the evidence is just too strong

So we can't be too surprised when apologists for the polluters start to claim that global warming is actually a good thing. A list of the key climate events of 2013 puts that claim into perspective:

Yeah, sure. And the people who already live there are just going to sit by quietly while all these usurpers move in.

Yet, every official statement says that there is no link between CO2 and "extreme" weather events. Not only that but that the last few decades, as global temperatures have recently risen slightly, have seen fewer and less severe extremes than in recorded history.