BBO Discussion Forums: Disagreement with partner - BBO Discussion Forums

 rmnka447, on 2017-August-01, 17:17, said:

3♦ I suspect is just competing the partscore.

Obviously 4♥ should be limited, that is a good opening bid with a respectable 7 card suit, just too strong to open 4♥, but not much in reserve.
That leaves DBL and 4♣ for stronger hands.
4♣ should show a strong hand, which can not stand partner passing your takeout DBL, invariably short in clubs, say a void in clubs or freak distribution say 6 hearts, 5 spades and a singleton club.
DBL is the normal bid for strong hands even with a singleton club.
At least that seems to be the way the Italians are bidding.
I would double
For example if this is matchpoints and partner bids 3NT I would pass.

Rainer Herrmann

Even if you have no agreements in this sequence 4♥ is a horrible bid. It should show like a minimum hand with 7-8♥. These are the rebids i use in my partnership in this sequence:

Pas - forcing since my partners double should be showing some values
Dbl - obviously not penalty, our oponents found their long suit, showing extra values
3♦ - 5-5 shape
3♥ - 6♥ minimum
3♠ - asks for ♣ stoper
3NT - ♣ stoper, not minimum, with stonger hand and a stoper you should double
4♣ - Splinter strong hand, pretty much promises 6♥
4♦ - very strong hand with 6+♥, almost ACOL, no ♣ shortage
4♥ - 7-8♥ minimum hand, too strong to open 4♥( we open 4M with even 7 HCP)

 Kapi Blas, on 2017-August-06, 02:40, said:

P cannot be forcing sensibly, why would you want to force partner to bid on a possible misfit with 11 opposite 8.

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-August-06, 04:24, said:

I don't think misfit can be the case in this situation because opponents have 8 card suit at least so we will find ours surely. The second thing is I play this double as 10+ HCP with at least 5-4 in unbid suits with no fit or any 12+ balanced and that's why i'm considering this pass as forcing since we are having strength advantage.

 Kapi Blas, on 2017-August-06, 05:18, said:

Which double ?

1♥-(2♣)-X as 10+ you're getting stolen from a lot, I need to X on a 4243 8. Also the heart is 4+ cards not 5 in the Acol type system I play, so the shape restricions you play don't work as well.

Ops 8 card fit is no guarantee we have one, also we probably open lighter than you do.

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-August-06, 06:23, said:

Well obviously in ACOL system it must work differently. But im not really getting stolen though. If we don't have a major suit fit and i don't have any other long suit and less than 10 HCP im ok with passing while vulnerable. Not vulnerable ill just bid any 5 card suit on 2 level with 6+ HCP and good shape.

 Kapi Blas, on 2017-August-06, 02:40, said:

Maybe you get dealt better hands than I seem to get, but you seem to be using lots of bids to show big hands. For me, 3D and 3S would just be competing.

Like another poster I have sympathy with the 4H bidder, especially if playing with a partner with whom you have no detailed agreements.

 GrahamJson, on 2017-August-09, 10:03, said:

We've played together for 20+ years, while we have no specific agreements in this sequence, the general principle that big hands bid slowly is well established.