how much to bid with 2 aces?
#1
Posted 2011-March-12, 08:33
♥AJ10653
♦Q
♣A10862
all vul, you open in second position to hear
1♥-1♠
2♣-2♦
2♥-2♠
3♣-3♥
what now?
#2
Posted 2011-March-12, 08:43
#3
Posted 2011-March-12, 08:44
Fluffy, on 2011-March-12, 08:33, said:
♥AJ10653
♦Q
♣A10862
all vul, you open in second position to hear
1♥-1♠
2♣-2♦
2♥-2♠
3♣-3♥
what now?
Why did I rebid 2♥ and not 3♣?
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#4
Posted 2011-March-12, 09:51
#5
Posted 2011-March-12, 10:02
#6
Posted 2011-March-12, 10:35
gordontd, on 2011-March-12, 08:44, said:
which is better show 5-5 or 6-4?
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#7
Posted 2011-March-12, 11:28
Fluffy, on 2011-March-12, 10:02, said:
Except that you're not showing any extra shape - wouldn't you have to rebid 2♥ with some 5-4s?
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#8
Posted 2011-March-12, 11:51
#9
Posted 2011-March-12, 11:54
FrancesHinden, on 2011-March-12, 11:51, said:
What do you bid with 1534 with ♦xxx?
Or 2524 with ♠xx?
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#12
Posted 2011-March-13, 04:16
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#13
Posted 2011-March-13, 06:13
With a 1534 shape with no diamond stop (a fairly rare hand), there are a number of reasonable approaches:
(1) Always bid 2♥
(2) Always bid 2♠
(3) Always bid 2NT
(4) Always bid 3♦
(5) Do whatever looks like the smallest distortion
(6) Do something conventional
It isn't clear to me that any of these is better than the rest. Personally I prefer (5) or (6).
Frances (who made it clear that she was speaking only about what happens in her own partnerships) apparently prefers (2), or somewhere between (2) and (5). The idea that this deserves a "LOL" is laughable.
This post has been edited by gnasher: 2011-March-13, 06:18
#14
Posted 2011-March-13, 06:17
gordontd, on 2011-March-12, 11:28, said:
Even if your style is that 2♥ might be a 5-4, if you bid 2♥ and follow it with 3♣, you are now showing 6-5, and you have saved quite a lot of space by doing so.
#15
Posted 2011-March-13, 06:34
#16
Posted 2011-March-13, 07:20
#18
Posted 2011-March-13, 10:50
gnasher, on 2011-March-13, 06:13, said:
With a 1534 shape with no diamond stop (a fairly rare hand), there are a number of reasonable approaches:
(1) Always bid 2♥
(2) Always bid 2♠
(3) Always bid 2NT
(4) Always bid 3♦
(5) Do whatever looks like the smallest distortion
(6) Do something conventional
It isn't clear to me that any of these is better than the rest. Personally I prefer (5) or (6).
Frances (who made it clear that she was speaking only about what happens in her own partnerships) apparently prefers (2), or somewhere between (2) and (5). The idea that this deserves a "LOL" is laughable.
Yes, somewhere between (2) (Jallerton's preference) and (5). With extra values (say a good 16+) I raise 2D to 3D, showing almost exactly this hand.
#19
Posted 2011-March-13, 10:54
MickyB, on 2011-March-13, 08:38, said:
My circles are not quite the same as gnasher's. In one partnership, we don't play 2D as game forcing, so will tend to give preference to 2S on most horrible 2524 hands because if it ends the auction it's likely to be the best spot. 2NT is slightly more constructive because it's a harder contract to make if I've only got a single diamond stop.
When I play 2D as game forcing, I will still give spade preference on virtually all 2524 hands. Partner can re-fourth-suit with 3D over this and we can bid 3NT, and we've shown pretty much exactly this hand. The relative suit holdings can make a difference, obviously xx Axxxx AQ KJxx is a 2NT bid.
#20
Posted 2011-March-13, 12:03
MickyB, on 2011-March-13, 08:38, said:
Yes, it can bid 2NT, but it needs a real diamond stop, not Qx.
It feels as though the spade holding ought to affect close decisions. Maybe Kx KQxxx A10 J10xx is a 2♠ bid, but xx KQxxx A10 KJ10x is a 2NT bid?