[Al_U_Card]

pclayton, on Sep 16 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

At IMPs, I bid 2 1/2 ♦.

Has this been accepted by the ACBL?.....rofl

[mike777]

3D

I can still have slam on this hand, 2club rebid is very wide range. 1nt forcing/semi is very wide range.

Perhaps these 2h/major and 2nt rebids are winning MP strategies by those who play the heck out of hands?

[Al_U_Card]

Pard will bid 3NT over 3D with a S stop. He will bid 3H without and you can play there if he is x in D with a decent 5 card H suit and no S stopper.

In NT they get their S and all of their side suit winners. In 3D or H, just the ssw's.

Also, seems that the 2NT bid is usual when you have a stiff H or xx.....

[awm]

I believe in bidding my hands. Even at matchpoints, I find that following our agreed methods works out better in the long run than making up bids and trying to "guess the final contract." On this hand, it certainly could be the case that 2♥ is the best partial. But it's a huge underbid and could just as easily keep us out of a cold game, or possibly put us in the wrong partial. Seven card suits are there to be bid. Yes, it is matchpoints, and maybe 2NT will get us +120 and 3♦ only +110. But if partner has nothing in spades, 2NT is probably down. Partner may even raise to 3NT and go down. If 3NT is right, we will get there after a 3♦ call. If 5♦ is right, we are unlikely to get there after a 2NT call.

So I'll go with 3♦ -- bid my values and show my seven card suit. Easy game, bridge.

[han]

Also 3D for me, right on values, shape and suit quality (!). I usually have a direct jump to 3D available to show invitational values with a good suit. So partner will not expect a great diamond suit here. If partner has extras then we will likely get to the best game (3NT, 4H or 5D). If partner is minimal then we should be in a reasonable spot, even at MP's.


Agree with Ben that playing Riton 2C would make life easier. We would not have to mastermind until we know fairly well what kind of hand partner has.

[mikeh]

mps 2♥.

It is possible that partner will be able to bid over this, altho unlikely, so we have not missed every game yet

In the meantime, we are in a high-scoring, probably safe, contract.

BTW, partner might only hold 2♣ in many styles of 2/1. Especially with non-Flannery players: what is partner to bid with 4=5=2=2 and poor ♥?

And many play that one rebids 2♣ with 3=5=3=2.

2N is to much of a gamble for mps. Partner will pass too often, and I don't like my chances in 2N opp a minimum 2=5=2=4. Nor do I want to reach 3♥ opp a poor 2=5=1=5 or so.

3♦ is 'safe' and may reach games or slams unreachable via 2♥, but I would be worried about 130 v 140 etc.

Imps: a much, much easier decision. Game is possible: heck, slam is possible. Partner could be x Axxxx AKx Axxx, making 7♦ on a good day.

So 2♥ is just not enough.

The choices are 2N, 3♦, and 3♥. I reject 3♥, since it shows a hand that bears little resemblance to the one I am looking at, unless I can convincingly claim that I missorted my cards: easier to do in real life than on BBO.

2N aims at one of the possible games, but I am worried that we will not be able to establish the ♦ suit before they run ♠(altho we may not need to opp many hands). More importantly, 2N will be a terrible contract if partner passes, and it does not aim at the other possible game (5♦) nor at the (unlikely but possible) slams.

So I choose 3♦.

3♦ does not rule out 3N, altho it makes it tough to reach in some hands, and we may reach it when we shouldn't, on others. Partner will expect a better source of tricks, but maybe my outside cards will compensate (we may even have 9 winners outside the ♦ suit if he bids 3N)

And the clincher is that we can reach 5♦ or even 6♦ after 3♦.

I have been so persuavive on this (to me, anyway) that I am tempted to go back and bid 3♦ at mps as well

[cherdano]

I hate 2♥ here. You have 3 great cards, and 2♥ could be bid with one. I would bid 3♦ at any form of scoring. It will not always enable partner to judge whether he should bid 3NT (he may devalue hands without diamond honors opposite which we just have 9 tricks in the other 3 suits), but I think it will help him more than any other bid.

Arend

[cherdano]

Jlall, on Sep 16 2005, 06:53 PM, said:

FWIW (and im a 2N bidder) I think some overvalue the CQ. Do you get excited about Qx of clubs when partner opens 1C? 2C here is often suspect (rarely 2, somewhat frequently 3) so I wouldn't get TOO excited about it.

No, but I devalued Qx before partner bid 2♣, and now it has full value.

[Al_U_Card]

Jlall, on Sep 16 2005, 11:39 AM, said:

mikeh, on Sep 16 2005, 11:13 AM, said:

I have been so persuavive on this (to me, anyway) that I am tempted to go back and bid 3♦ at mps as well

pfft, who bids minors in MP?

The opps, all the damn time....

[bridge2k]

1, Yes. 1NT is fine.

2, 2NT. don't like 3D. D suit is unlikely the source of tricks.

[whereagles]

Thanks all. Hands were

Scoring: MP

1♥ 1NT
2♣ ...?

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Not easy to reach 5♦ on these hands.

[PMetsch]

Jlall, on Sep 17 2005, 02:24 AM, said:

Still, I would hate to just bid 3N over 2N. Any thoughts?

You can play a simple conventional follow up after 1M - 1NT; 2m - 2NT:

3m = MIN, 5-5
3om = MAX, 5-5
3M = MIN, 6-4
3OM = MAX, 6-4

With this hand you probably get to 4♥. It is almost impossible to bid 5♦ if partner rebids 2NT.

[Echognome]

Do I have to have 10 cards between my two suits to bid 1M and rebid 2m??

What do the hands with 54 bid?

[david_c]

Echognome, on Sep 17 2005, 01:07 PM, said:

What do the hands with 54 bid?

There's a more complex scheme described in Fred's articles on 2/1GF, which deals with those if you're worried about them.

[PMetsch]

Echognome, on Sep 17 2005, 07:07 AM, said:

What do the hands with 54 bid?

3NT. Sure you may miss a good 5-3 fit, if you can't bid your fragment. But 3NT should not be uneasonable if partner bids NT twice. Shaping out may also help the defense, with the lead.

[pclayton]

Even is West doesn't make a move over 2♥ (perhaps dubious), hearts looks like a reasonable spot in MP's, maybe scoring really well if they split.

By the way, where are the opps with their TEN spades?