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How many spades ? weak 8 card suit , vul vs not
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Posted 2005-October-12, 15:26
Local pairs, vul vs not. RHO opens 1♥. What do you bid and why?
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Posted 2005-October-12, 15:38
3S...wimpy with 8-3 but I'm red/white so won't bid 4.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 15:58
3S, red versus white, but it is also
one of the most effective preempts.
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one of the most effective preempts.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 16:03
3♠ is fine. Pard can take the push with the toppers.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 16:14
Indeed, if partner has KQx then she will expect extra length in our hand at these colors
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 16:48
4♠.
I've been trying to talk myself out of this bid, but I can't.
I've been trying to talk myself out of this bid, but I can't.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 17:05
1S. Overcalling with a yarborough and eight spades, I would go "passive" and mess with the auction. If the opponents buy the contract, they will play the hand wrong.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 18:30
kenrexford, on Oct 12 2005, 03:05 PM, said:
1S. Overcalling with a yarborough and eight spades, I would go "passive" and mess with the auction. If the opponents buy the contract, they will play the hand wrong.
Perhaps, and they'll probably be doubled by pard expecting more high cards and less spades. Maybe my subterfuge causes them to give up the overtrick.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 15:39
kenrexford, on Oct 12 2005, 06:05 PM, said:
1S. Overcalling with a yarborough and eight spades, I would go "passive" and mess with the auction. If the opponents buy the contract, they will play the hand wrong.
No wonder your pd's always think you have a different hand then you project during the bidding
3♠ for me.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 15:57
3♠ with this vulnerability, otherwise I might go for an immediate 5♠ 
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Posted 2005-October-14, 08:48
There's a rule I quite like for deciding how high to pre-empt.
Bid to the level where you don't know what you hope the opponents will do.
If I bid 2S and get doubled, I'll be pleased (at least until I see dummy).
If I bid 4S and get doubled, I'll be very nervous.
If I bid 3S and get doubled, I won't know what to think.
So I bid 3S.
Bid to the level where you don't know what you hope the opponents will do.
If I bid 2S and get doubled, I'll be pleased (at least until I see dummy).
If I bid 4S and get doubled, I'll be very nervous.
If I bid 3S and get doubled, I won't know what to think.
So I bid 3S.
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Posted 2005-October-14, 08:53
Wimpy? moi? All of pard's heart cards will be wrong and with 2 stiffs I really want to get in there but down 4 doubled in 3S seems like too much of a position when the opps are white so....I can't pass so I choose the even more despicable 2S..blech!
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Posted 2005-October-15, 06:18
Additional question:
I you bid 4S can your partner expect 1 trick from you if he doubles 5H?
A couple of weeks ago we had a hand in our club - playing MP's - with 8 card H (T9...) and 0 points as dealer. The players who opened 3H or 4H got a bad result because opps would end up in 4S or 5S doubled by partner and made.
Maybe you partner should not expect any trick (not even 1/2 trick) from you if you preempt to 3/4 level? But will he not...and DBL certainly at MP's?
I you bid 4S can your partner expect 1 trick from you if he doubles 5H?
A couple of weeks ago we had a hand in our club - playing MP's - with 8 card H (T9...) and 0 points as dealer. The players who opened 3H or 4H got a bad result because opps would end up in 4S or 5S doubled by partner and made.
Maybe you partner should not expect any trick (not even 1/2 trick) from you if you preempt to 3/4 level? But will he not...and DBL certainly at MP's?
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Posted 2005-October-15, 06:45
kgr, on Oct 15 2005, 07:18 AM, said:
A couple of weeks ago we had a hand in our club - playing MP's - with 8 card H (T9...) and 0 points as dealer. The players who opened 3H or 4H got a bad result because opps would end up in 4S or 5S doubled by partner and made.
Perhaps that's an argument for opening 5♥ on that hand.
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Posted 2005-October-15, 09:52
I don't see why partner should expect a trick from a 4S bid. Isn't KQJeigth with 8-4 a normal 4S bid? Or a 9 card suit? etc.
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Posted 2005-October-15, 11:14
Pass. Sometimes you don't have a bid to describe your hand.
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Posted 2005-October-15, 12:34
pclayton, on Oct 12 2005, 05:03 PM, said:
3♠ is fine. Pard can take the push with the toppers.
Ditto
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Posted 2005-October-16, 03:53
kgr, on Oct 15 2005, 07:18 AM, said:
Additional question:
I you bid 4S can your partner expect 1 trick from you if he doubles 5H?
I you bid 4S can your partner expect 1 trick from you if he doubles 5H?
No, add the Queen of spades and 4S stands out at this
vulnerability, but you dont have a trick for partner.
If he doubles, he does this it on his own.
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Posted 2005-October-16, 03:56
Hannie, on Oct 12 2005, 05:14 PM, said:
Indeed, if partner has KQx then she will expect extra length in our hand at these colors
Hi,
its irrelevant, what partner can expect,
partner will / should raise with KQ tight
or K / Q + another trick (Ace or KQ combination).
Opener does not hold those cards, i.e. will expect
to loose those tricks.
You cover those looser, raise.
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