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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2005-October-22, 00:50

Scoring: MP

p(p)1♣


IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

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Posted 2005-October-22, 01:24

Sure. At least you have pinpointed a lead in case LHO becomes declarer. Light openings are perfectly legitimate and are even quite common 3rd in hand, especially non vul against vul.

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Posted 2005-October-22, 02:49

Thanks, just wanted to check after a very surprised opp in an indy..
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Posted 2005-October-22, 02:52

1♣ is certainly reasonable (I wonder whether one should pass partner's 1♥ reply -- a certain 7, possible 8-card fit at the one level can't be wrong, and it makes sure we don't get too high).

I think I would pass, however. After all, I am happy whenever partner leads a spade, a diamond or a club.
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Posted 2005-October-22, 02:57

3rd seat it's fine.
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Posted 2005-October-22, 03:22

Perfect hand for a light opener. You want that lead, and your strength is in the 2 suits you'll bid.
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Posted 2005-October-22, 08:21

jillybean2, on Oct 22 2005, 01:50 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

p(p)1♣ 


IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

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Posted 2005-October-22, 10:34

Sure 1♣ is fine. Make the clubs weaker (K- 5th) and the spades stronger (AQ-4th), and try a 1♠ opening, even with this pattern.
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Posted 2005-October-22, 10:37

thanks and I like the pass of 1♥ ;)
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Posted 2005-October-22, 14:17

1♣ Automatic
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Posted 2005-October-22, 21:25

Free, on Oct 22 2005, 09:22 AM, said:

Perfect hand for a light opener. You want that lead, and your strength is in the 2 suits you'll bid.

The trouble with the lead-directing argument is that if you are playing Strong NT, 5cd major system you will also be opening 1C on a load of hands when you don't particularly want a club lead and on a load of hands when you positively don't want partner to lead a club (especially from something like Kx).

How is partner meant to know the difference?

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Posted 2005-October-22, 21:31

EricK, on Oct 22 2005, 10:25 PM, said:

Free, on Oct 22 2005, 09:22 AM, said:

Perfect hand for a light opener.  You want that lead, and your strength is in the 2 suits you'll bid.

The trouble with the lead-directing argument is that if you are playing Strong NT, 5cd major system you will also be opening 1C on a load of hands when you don't particularly want a club lead and on a load of hands when you positively don't want partner to lead a club (especially from something like Kx).

How is partner meant to know the difference?

Eric

1) If he has say, 7 points, and the opps roll into game, he may suspect we opened light. If we did, then we obviously opened a suit we want led.

2) Even if he doesn't learn we opened light, just because 1C COULD be xxx doesn't mean it is. If he has no clear lead, he will go with a club because it RATES to be our best suit, even though it doesn't have to be.
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Posted 2005-October-22, 23:54

Not to mention that your hand is going to be passing almost anything. Partner will learn you are light 1 way or another. The question is whether you should raise 1♠ to 2 or if that is pushing the boat out too far. Would be nice at MPs, but it probably carries to much risk of p not taking a joke.
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Posted 2005-October-23, 14:04

Hi,

the hand is perfect, if you and your partner
agreed to open light in 3rd seat, I dont.

The main problem is, that your partner may take
you serious.
Another, light openings with a minor is not as effective
as a light opener with a mayor, because you are not
as likely to buy the auction, i.e. if the oponents buy the
contract, it may be easier for them to play the hand.

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Posted 2005-October-23, 16:09

i could be wrong here marlowe, but i think pretty much everyone plays that light 3rd hand openings are fairly standard... 1C here is fine, and i wouldn't even squak abot a 1NT opening
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Posted 2005-October-24, 04:43

Echognome, on Oct 23 2005, 12:54 AM, said:

Not to mention that your hand is going to be passing almost anything. Partner will learn you are light 1 way or another. The question is whether you should raise 1♠ to 2 or if that is pushing the boat out too far. Would be nice at MPs, but it probably carries to much risk of p not taking a joke.

I think not raising 1♠ to 2 would be a little silly. I think the more pertinent question is whether we raise 1♥ to 2, and I'm hovering, though I think I go with not.
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Posted 2005-October-24, 05:04

We only open light in majors but this hand qualifies for a light opening cause you have ♠.

Of course I'd raise 1♠ to 2♠. The hand becomes great and and if you don't raise with that, why do you open ?

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Posted 2005-October-24, 07:49

Opening is an opton, but I normally pass with 9 unless I can pre at the 2 level.
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Posted 2005-October-24, 09:38

jillybean2, on Oct 22 2005, 01:50 AM, said:

IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

Ask your partner.
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Posted 2005-October-24, 09:54

mila85, on Oct 24 2005, 08:38 AM, said:

jillybean2, on Oct 22 2005, 01:50 AM, said:

IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

Ask your partner.

good point (this was an indy)
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