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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2005-October-21, 09:21

Scoring: IMP


RHO opens 1♥ and at IMPs you sensibly do NOT overcall 2NT with those bad suits but pass instead. LHO bids 4♥ and all pass.

You find the lead of the ♠10, 4, Q, 3
Partner now leads the ♠A, 8, and you?

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Posted 2005-October-21, 09:35

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Posted 2005-October-21, 09:46

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Posted 2005-October-21, 09:54

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Posted 2005-October-21, 10:13

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Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-October-21, 10:20

With Lavinthal agreed upon, I pitch the 9 of diamonds
to encourage partner to continue spades.
I usually open with 13 cards
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Posted 2005-October-21, 10:20

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Posted 2005-October-21, 10:23

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Posted 2005-October-21, 10:25

Winstonm, on Oct 21 2005, 11:20 AM, said:

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Posted 2005-October-21, 10:27

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Posted 2005-October-21, 11:26

great, now we need a no psyches rule for the forums
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Posted 2005-October-21, 11:27

bestguru, on Oct 21 2005, 12:26 PM, said:

great, now we need a no psyches rule for the forums

ROFL. That's great.
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Posted 2005-October-21, 12:54

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Posted 2005-October-21, 12:58

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Posted 2005-October-21, 13:06

Winstonm, on Oct 21 2005, 01:58 PM, said:

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Posted 2005-October-21, 13:42

[HIDDEN]The pitch of the ♦ A looks like it may be unnecessary, and, as Justin points out, may risk 2 imps by throwing away an extra undertrick.

But consider this hand from North's point of view. It is unlikely that North has any more working high cards: in particular it is unlikely that he has a ♣ card.

If you pitch a discouraging ♦, is it clear from his perspective that he ought to play a 3rd round of ♠ rather than to switch to ♣, through declarer into your AQ?

I think so, to a thoughtful partner. With AQ and length (which you rate to have no matter how many ♦ partner holds) you could almost certainly make a recognizable encouraging ♣ discard.

You may pay to your ♣ being AQ432 with declarer being 3=6=0=4 with K1098: is your 4 clearly encouraging in standard carding: is partner sufficiently alert? Or conversely (and worse) with AQ1098 while declarer has K432: is your 8 encouraging playing udca?

Still, the ♦A virtually assures the set. Playing a low ♦ and then castigating partner for the ♣switch may win the post-mortem, but I'd rather set the contract. I think my partner will appreciate my thoughtfulness even if it costs 2 imps. So I play the ♦A: besides it always impresses the kibitzers :angry:
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Posted 2005-October-22, 04:00

Thanks to all that responded. I posted this hand here so the target group can see that spectacular plays can sometimes be straightforward.

The point here is to at least consider the discard of ♦A. Don't worry too much about the 2 IMPs lost for the extra undertrick. Just look for the safest way to beat the contract.

I think ♦9 should be good enough here but ♦A will increase your popularity if your partner happens to be pretty and of the opposite sex :)
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Posted 2005-October-22, 04:41

mikeh, on Oct 21 2005, 09:42 PM, said:

[HIDDEN]The pitch of the ♦ A looks like it may be unnecessary, and, as Justin points out, may risk 2 imps by throwing away an extra undertrick.

But consider this hand from North's point of view. It is unlikely that North has any more working high cards: in particular it is unlikely that he has a ♣ card.

If you pitch a discouraging ♦, is it clear from his perspective that he ought to play a 3rd round of ♠ rather than to switch to ♣, through declarer into your AQ?

I think so, to a thoughtful partner. With AQ and length (which you rate to have no matter how many ♦ partner holds) you could almost certainly make a recognizable encouraging ♣ discard.

You may pay to your ♣ being AQ432 with declarer being 3=6=0=4 with K1098: is your 4 clearly encouraging in standard carding: is partner sufficiently alert? Or conversely (and worse) with AQ1098 while declarer has K432: is your 8 encouraging playing udca?

Still, the ♦A virtually assures the set. Playing a low ♦ and then castigating partner for the ♣switch may win the post-mortem, but I'd rather set the contract. I think my partner will appreciate my thoughtfulness even if it costs 2 imps. So I play the ♦A: besides it always impresses the kibitzers :)

Mike, everyone was arguing in favor of a discouraging club, not a diamond. I really don't see how partner can go wrong after this.

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