[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

(1♥) - 1♠ - (P) - 1NT
(X) - ?

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You play jump overcalls are weak. Still, do you bid 1♠ or 2♠ on this hand?

After RHO doubles (alerted and explained as 'reopening'), do you bid 2♠ or leave it up to partner to decide what to do?

[joker_gib]

Depends on what your agreement is for the jump.

I play them as intermediate (10-13 6 cards) so I would have bid 2♠ directly (lower limit). A 2♠ bid now shows 8-9 with 6 cards.

If you play them weak, then you have to bid 2♠ now to show your 6th card and more than a NV weak two.

Alain

[Winstonm]

I feel 1S is just right and see no reason to do anything now other than pass - I have adequately described my hand except for the 6th spade - anytime I can bid 12 of my 13 cards I'm pretty well satisfied - there is nothing else special about my hand I need to show.

Winston

[barmar]

If partner had been a passed hand, I would have bid 2♠ on my first turn. But the hand is too good for this when partner can still have a decent hand.

In the given auction, I now bid 2♠, for 2 reasons:

1. It shows my 6th ♠. Hopefully partner didn't bid NT with a singleton.

2. LHO can no longer respond to the double on the 2 level.

BTW, I don't think a call can legitimately be called "reopening" unless it's made in the pass-out seat. A better description of the double might be "pre-balancing", or just "takeout".

[pclayton]

My spades aren't quite good enough to sit. Pard doesn't know about my 6th spade either. I'm about a King lite for a redouble as well.

If pard has a chunky 10-11 count with a stiff spade and we were making 1N on power and 2♠ is down on a 4-2 or 5-1 split, I'll apologize. But pulling seems right and I can't imagine pard rescuing himself on this auction.

[whereagles]

2♠. There are a lot of hands where pard has 2 spads and won't pull out.

[Al_U_Card]

Except for the MP considerations (this is an IMP question after all) 2S would be automatic, imo.

[han]

I prefer to bid 2S directly.

Having bid 1S I would now bid 2S. This seems safer as well as somewhat preemptive.


I am intriged by Winston's comment. Which 12 cards do you describe by passing 1NT? I'm willing to concede 11 cards: 5-2-2-2, as you would probably bid with a 4-minor (of course you could be 5-4-3-1 or 5-4-1-3).

[luis]

1♠ looks fine and now 2♠ is so clear that I'm sure you bid 2♠ and something bad happened. If that is the case the jury finds you not guilty and you can go.

Luis

[tysen2k]

1♠
2♠

[Echognome]

luis, on Nov 16 2005, 08:21 PM, said:

1♠ looks fine and now 2♠ is so clear that I'm sure you bid 2♠ and something bad happened. If that is the case the jury finds you not guilty and you can go.

Luis

LOL. You are half right Luis. Nothing bad happened. Partner turned up with:

♠ x
♥ AQxx
♦ Qxxxx
♣ xxx

And the spade and surprisingly the heart were both onside and I scrambled home for 8 tricks.

The bad thing that happened is that partner had a go at me afterwards for not leaving the decision up to him. He said that perhaps he would want to redouble, but not on his actual hand. I thought 2♠ was clear.

I'm glad the jury (as Luis puts it) agree with me.

[luke warm]

when your partner had a go at you, did you ask what he'd have done if you passed? 2s looks automatic to me...

hannie, can you really afford to overcall 2s earlier? just because your rho opened doesn't mean you don't have game, and if you do it'd be hard to find it after a preempt... course i could be wrong

[Fluffy]

If you judged your hand too good for a 2♠ overcall, then you have to be consistent and bid 2♠ now.

[joker_gib]

Echognome, on Nov 16 2005, 11:38 PM, said:

♠ x
♥ AQxx
♦ Qxxxx
♣ xxx

Btw, I don't know if I would have bid 1NT with that hand !

I think I would have pass

And you, guys ??

Alain

[Winstonm]

Hannie, on Nov 16 2005, 02:44 PM, said:

I prefer to bid 2S directly.

Having bid 1S I would now bid 2S. This seems safer as well as somewhat preemptive.


I am intriged by Winston's comment. Which 12 cards do you describe by passing 1NT? I'm willing to concede 11 cards: 5-2-2-2, as you would probably bid with a 4-minor (of course you could be 5-4-3-1 or 5-4-1-3).

IMO, I have nothing extra I didn't show the first time around - except the additional spade. My partner heard me overcall, saying in essense one of three things: 1) I have a good spade suit if you need to find a lead. 2) I have a fair hand with spades if we can compete. 3) I have a pretty good hand with spades and we might have a game.

My partner heard what I had to say and in essence is saying, if you hold #2 then I have enough to compete but competing in NT looks better than in spades.

My hand has a source of tricks for NT, an entry, and some intermediates and spot cards that could be useful - and when the hearts are divided 5224 around the table, it will be extremely difficult for RHO to score and uppercut trump trick with the spade 10 in a NT contract. And if my Jx of hearts is to be of value, it is more so in NT than in spades.

I have an edge in that my partner would be extremely unlikely to bid 1N on a stiff spade, so I play the numbers and expect to be able to score 5 spade tricks on the anticipated 3/2 break and Ace onside. I don't have great ruffing value, I'm balanced, and my suit isn't all that great.

IMO, 2S should say I strongly disagree with your assessment that NT is the best spot. So that is why I say I've bid 12 of my cards.....I haven't clarified my holding, which is a second round duty, but when I pass next I'm most likely 5233 or 6223.

A normal hand for partner is: xx, K10xx, QJxx, KJx. If RHO can get in with either the diamond King or the spade Ace, I we will lose 2 diamonds, 2 hearts, and 2 spades because of the uppercut. With a balanced hand and the Jx of hearts and 109 of diamonds, I'll take my chances in 1N.

Winston

[Trpltrbl]

2♠, this play better in a suitcontract.

GBB

[P_Marlowe]

2S.

If I did not jump the round before (3S),
why should I jump now?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Hannie, on Nov 16 2005, 02:44 PM, said:

I prefer to bid 2S directly.
<snip>

Assuming 2S is weak, would you not bid 2S
also without the Ace?

If I preempt, 3S ... which may be great
or not, but 2S with / without the Ace will make
it harder for partner to judge, if 4S is worth bidding.

With kind regards
Marlowe