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1C=1H
1S=2C
3C?
1c=3+
1s=natural, nonforcing and does not promise an unbalanced hand
2c=natural, signoff
What sort of hand/range do you expect for 3C?
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Posted 2006-August-14, 13:11
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Posted 2006-August-14, 13:15
4=6 or so in the blacks, 16-18 hcp: responder can have up to a soft 10 count for this sequence, so opener needs to be able to explore for game.
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Posted 2006-August-14, 13:49
Agree with prior post. I would add that 2♦ and 2NT, and possibly 2♠ (if strict no 5-card spade suit agreed) would also show this pattern.
I would expect 2♦ to look like 4036. I would expect 2NT to show a diamond card (Ace or King) and two top club honors. So, 3♣ probably shows a lack of a diamond card.
I would expect 2♦ to look like 4036. I would expect 2NT to show a diamond card (Ace or King) and two top club honors. So, 3♣ probably shows a lack of a diamond card.
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Posted 2006-August-14, 15:34
5♣
4♠
3♦
1♥
with 5-4-2-2 could be back 2nt on 2♣
pts should be 13-14 not more, he could bid 2!d as 4SF if 15-16+ or
to pass with 10-12
4♠
3♦
1♥
with 5-4-2-2 could be back 2nt on 2♣
pts should be 13-14 not more, he could bid 2!d as 4SF if 15-16+ or
to pass with 10-12
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Posted 2006-August-14, 15:43
Usually 4-6+, but I suppose a good 4=2=2=5 is possible too.
I would expect the strength to be similar to a 1N opener, but I'd do it with a lot of quick tricks and a great club suit too: AKxx, x, xx, AQJxxx.
Maybe I should even have a little less. Its not hard to construct a vanilla 2C response from pard that produces 11 tricks: xx, Axxx, xxx, Kxxx.
I would expect the strength to be similar to a 1N opener, but I'd do it with a lot of quick tricks and a great club suit too: AKxx, x, xx, AQJxxx.
Maybe I should even have a little less. Its not hard to construct a vanilla 2C response from pard that produces 11 tricks: xx, Axxx, xxx, Kxxx.
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Posted 2006-August-14, 17:28
Gpm_bg, on Aug 14 2006, 04:34 PM, said:
5♣
4♠
3♦
1♥
with 5-4-2-2 could be back 2nt on 2♣
pts should be 13-14 not more, he could bid 2!d as 4SF if 15-16+ or
to pass with 10-12
4♠
3♦
1♥
with 5-4-2-2 could be back 2nt on 2♣
pts should be 13-14 not more, he could bid 2!d as 4SF if 15-16+ or
to pass with 10-12
With 13-14 points, he has NO business looking for game after 2♣: he uses the magic word (pass... the most under-utilized call in bridge).
And 2♦ is NOT 4sf: it is patterning out, with 3♦ and extra values: 4=1=3=5, 16+
4SF is an ARTIFICIAL bid, made by responder, not a natural bid made by either partner. It either forces to game or for one round, depending on style and whether bidder is a passed hand.
I have seen a number of posters refer to opener's bid of 4th suit as a use of 4SF, but this is an error, in my view. Such bids are often merely patterning out (often carrying a message of extra values) or are mark-time bids, but they lack the artificiality that makes responder's use of 4th suit a conventional call.
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