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1H-p-2H-3S

I think there are good ressons to play this as strong jump rather then a prempt.
what do you think ?

[kenrexford]

By a passed hand, I agree.

[Codo]

There are reasons to play this as a preempt too, so I don´t agree.

[whereagles]

If the idea of that strong jump is to tell a 2♠ obar-bids overcall from a better overcall, then I should say obar-bids were invented on grounds that overcaller line has no game after opps bid and raise. (What overcaller has in extras is what pard is missing.) Thus, if the obar-bids theory is correct, there is simply no need to tell a good from a bad 2♠.

If this has nothing to do with ober-bids, then if 2♥ is wide-ranging there's a better case for 3♠ as preemptive. But if 2♥ is well-defined, like a 8-10 3 trumps constructive raise, you might have some people joining in for 3♠ as intermediate.

[Flame]

I have some time now so here is some resoning
When the opponents bid 1M-2M opener is in perfect position to decide where the partnership should go. A prempt in this position has alot to lose since doubles from both sides are for penalty, and the opponenets will tend to double only when its good for them, many times this will be when they dont have game but we go down too many. premptive is a kind of guess, it puts both sides into guessing, normally its done when im weak and therefore the guessing has more effect on thier side, they got more to lose, this is especially true on third hand when i know we dont have game. After 1M-2M by them, they know way too much, most of the guessing is mine, they already know enough to make a good decision. The only benefit of the prempt only benefit is to take their invitation option, this might be good, but first e know many pair already sendom use invite now and prefer to shut to games even without interference, second my preemt will give them information that might be more valid then thier triak bid, i will tell them if thier points and shape is working or not, it will ofcourse help them in play too.
On the other side there are the benefits of strong jumps, its go well with OBAR and i dont agree that we can forget about games completelty. when the hands are shapy you will see games, not only that shapy hands will give me more tricks but also with good shape they might be bidding on weak hands, opener can be as weak as 10 hcp and responder 5 hcp, this leave us with 25 hcp and good distribution. u might hold something like KQJXXXX X AXX AX
You can guess to bid 4, u can guess to biid 2, or u can bid 3S which is my preference.