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Pick Your Poison BW Sept. 2006

Poll: Your call? (38 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. PASS (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  2. 2NT (8 votes [21.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.05%

  3. 3C (13 votes [34.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.21%

  4. 3D (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  5. 3H (10 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  6. OTHER (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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#1 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2006-August-16, 07:42

Scoring: IMP

1D=(2S)=X=P
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Your call and why?
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Posted 2006-August-16, 07:42

2NT would seem most flexible
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Posted 2006-August-16, 07:47

This is the kind of hand that give negative doubles a bad name... :-)

3♣ - and not happy about it.
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Posted 2006-August-16, 08:09

inquiry, on Aug 16 2006, 01:47 PM, said:

This is the kind of hand that give negative doubles a bad name... :-)

Only if you get picky about stoppers. Otherwise it's a very easy 2NT bid :lol:
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Posted 2006-August-16, 08:34

whereagles, on Aug 16 2006, 05:09 PM, said:

inquiry, on Aug 16 2006, 01:47 PM, said:

This is the kind of hand that give negative doubles a bad name... :-)

Only if you get picky about stoppers. Otherwise it's a very easy 2NT bid :lol:

Please note: I voted for 2NT, however, I think that this should be some kind of scramble rather than a natural bid...
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Posted 2006-August-16, 09:02

Funny you mention it. I also think it's probably better used as artificial (e.g. Lebenshol), in which case we'd be in a dilemma similar to Ben's. I've seen some local top players playing that way.

If 2NT is Lebenshol, I guess one would have to try 2NT (min hand, pard can pass if he's inspired) followed by pass to 3♣ and hope for the best.

This style forces responder to be a bit more strict when it comes to negative doubles. Having both unbid suits is a necessity unless the hand is game-forcing.
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Posted 2006-August-16, 09:02

mike777, on Aug 16 2006, 09:42 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1D=(2S)=X=P
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Your call and why?

2NT, and happy to be NV
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Posted 2006-August-16, 10:55

hrothgar, on Aug 16 2006, 03:34 PM, said:

whereagles, on Aug 16 2006, 05:09 PM, said:

inquiry, on Aug 16 2006, 01:47 PM, said:

This is the kind of hand that give negative doubles a bad name... :-)

Only if you get picky about stoppers. Otherwise it's a very easy 2NT bid :)

Please note: I voted for 2NT, however, I think that this should be some kind of scramble rather than a natural bid...

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Posted 2006-August-16, 18:19

3C.

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Posted 2006-August-16, 18:59

I went for 3♣ for one basic reason. 3♣ is the only non-misleading call, and partner should expect a possible 3-card suit and should be prepared for this call.
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Posted 2006-August-16, 19:25

I wish it was mp and i would pass it.
At imps id try 3H, yes its high bid and therefore less flexiable, but atleast ithe suit is nice which might allow dummy reversal, and maybe he will make 4H. I dont think 3C willl get us to better spot, unlike the guy before me, i think 3C is misleading even more then 3H, because partner will expect atleast 4 diamonds, while 3H can be done with 3D4H so he will be more carfull maybe. 2NT is a problem because even if partner has KX in spades we are stil lrate to go down.
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Posted 2006-August-16, 20:24

2N. Its not scrambling either.

By the way, i didn't think this was the toughest problem this month.
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  Posted 2006-August-16, 21:01

I would go with 3♥; We are NV my p's dbl should guarantee at least 4 in the suit..

Since I am holding 2/4 top honors..I suspect my p may have 5♥ but his suit quality is not good enough to overcall 3♥..


Looks like 4♥ contract is possible..but ultimately up to partner.. B)
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Posted 2006-August-17, 22:48

:rolleyes: 3♦. The smallest lie. The suit is good enough to play opposite a doubleton - e.g. opposite 3-4-2-4 distribution.
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Posted 2006-August-18, 02:55

These hands are a reason to play weak NT....
I thought about 3 Spade and ask pd about a stopper. This will be a disaster if he has minimum or no stopper and no suit, but if it works, it rates better then a misleading 3 in a suit or 2 NT.
But I am getting older, so 2 NT, whatever pd may understand.
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Posted 2006-August-18, 10:02

Three clubs. Wasn't it said some time back (in MSC) that in these awkward negative-double situations, the cheapest available suit bid -- not a stopperless cheapest bid in notrump -- tends to be the best chance to avoid a disaster? With the same honors, but with 3-3-3-4 instead of 3-3-4-3, you would open one club and rebid three clubs over the negative double of two spades.

Of course, you can avoid some of these problems by not opening a 3-3-4-3/3-3-3-4 mousetrap (fewer than 2 1/2 quick-tricks).

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Posted 2006-August-19, 00:48

3♣, wholeheartedly. Never lie about major length, nor my opening length.
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Posted 2006-August-20, 19:02

i'd have bid 3♥, unless 2nt is scrambling... for the 3♣ bidders, is that a pass/correct bid? if it isn't (ie, if partner doesn't bid 3♥ with 4 of them), i don't see the gain
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Posted 2006-August-21, 05:53

This is just a matter of partnership agreement. You have to agree what you do on the hand-type with no descriptive bid. My agreement is that 2NT shows a weak NT without necessarily a spade stopper, so that's what I bid. It's not a bidding problem, as such, becdause I have a systemic bid so I make it.
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Posted 2006-August-21, 07:32

2NT, 12-14 balanced. If he passes, fine, if he bids 3NT I hope he has spades stopped. If he hasn't, he can bid 3♠.

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