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(p) 1♣ (1♥) X
(3♥) 5♣ (5♥) AP
You are the 1♣ bidder, North
Scoring: IMP
Partner leads the ♣K, ruffed by declarer, who now plays A, and then K of hearts, to which partner follows small both times.
What do you discard and why?
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Posted 2006-August-21, 15:41
Bidding:
(p) 1♣ (1♥) X
(3♥) 5♣ (5♥) AP
You are the 1♣ bidder, North
Partner leads the ♣K, ruffed by declarer, who now plays A, and then K of hearts, to which partner follows small both times.
What do you discard and why?
(p) 1♣ (1♥) X
(3♥) 5♣ (5♥) AP
You are the 1♣ bidder, North
Partner leads the ♣K, ruffed by declarer, who now plays A, and then K of hearts, to which partner follows small both times.
What do you discard and why?
Stephen Pickett
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Posted 2006-August-21, 16:31
♣T followed by a small ♣, hopefully showing ♠ preference...
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Posted 2006-August-21, 17:33
Not much info here to go on.
Did partner play low high or high low with his two little hearts? Clearly declarer has six or seven of hearts on this auction. Partner should have told us if he has two or three.
Second, partner seems to have a lot of spades. I play he can not have five spades on this auction, as he could have bid 1♠ rather than double. In fact, I think dbl shoud deny four spades too, but that is probably not standard. If partner only has four spades, then declarer has five spades to go with his six or seven hearts.
Let' make some assumptons...
1) Partner will give count in hearts, we will assume he played up the line
2) Partner will not have five spades, we assume he would have bid 1S with 5+S
So
partner is 4S-3H-5D-1C
Declarer is 5S-6H-2D-0C
We are not getting a diamond, Even if declarer has KJ of diamonds. My diamonds will be stripped... and declarer may have only one diamond if partner played carelessly.
Partner needs entries.. to play a trump, I discard the SA...
Did partner play low high or high low with his two little hearts? Clearly declarer has six or seven of hearts on this auction. Partner should have told us if he has two or three.
Second, partner seems to have a lot of spades. I play he can not have five spades on this auction, as he could have bid 1♠ rather than double. In fact, I think dbl shoud deny four spades too, but that is probably not standard. If partner only has four spades, then declarer has five spades to go with his six or seven hearts.
Let' make some assumptons...
1) Partner will give count in hearts, we will assume he played up the line
2) Partner will not have five spades, we assume he would have bid 1S with 5+S
So
partner is 4S-3H-5D-1C
Declarer is 5S-6H-2D-0C
We are not getting a diamond, Even if declarer has KJ of diamonds. My diamonds will be stripped... and declarer may have only one diamond if partner played carelessly.
Partner needs entries.. to play a trump, I discard the SA...
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Posted 2006-August-21, 21:18
inquiry, on Aug 21 2006, 06:33 PM, said:
Partner needs entries.. to play a trump, I discard the SA...
Nice job analyzing!
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Posted 2006-August-22, 17:05
I agree partner would have shown five spades if he had strength enough to bid at all. Therefore declarer has 5+ spades. Declarer would have bid spades before hearts with 5-5, therefore he has 6 or 7 hearts. He must be 5-6-2-0, 5-7-1-0 or 6-7-0-0.
If declarer has 7 hearts, he has already drawn trumps and can ruff two spade losers at leisure, losing only the top two spades (or losing only one if he has K♠). Therefore the only shape with a chance to defeat the contract is 5-6-2-0.
Declarer has no diamond losers (he will take the finesse if he needs it) and obviously no club losers. If he has K♠, he can simply lead toward it through your A♠ and make the contract by ruffing the third and fourth round of spades in dummy, setting up the long fifth card.
Tossing the A♠ on the trump leads gains a trick when partner has Q♠ but not K♠, because then partner can gain the lead (instead of you) to lead a trump and restrict the ruffs to one. This only defeats the contract when partners trump is the Queen, because with K♠ declarer will only have one top loser in spades. Partner's spades will also need to be strong enough to prevent a ruffing finesse in spades when dummy has only one trump: QT8x is minimum.
Conversely discarding A♠ lets an unmakeable contract slip through when declarer has QJTxx or a number of other combinations promoted to single top loser by the dump of A♠.
Would I drop A♠? No! Because if declarer had the kind of hand where dropping the AS helps (♠Kxxxx-♥AKxxxx-♦xx-♣v) he would have instantly seen the problem on the FIRST heart trick when I show out. He would see that it cannot cost to cross in diamonds and lead a spade towards his K before drawing a second trump, making certain of two ruffs in dummy (if I discard A♠ on the FIRST round, he will simply lead K♠, lose a spade to partner and win K♥ if partner can lead a trump from QJ remaining, crossruffing clubs and spades thereafter).
Don't drop A♠ unless you think declarer could not have worked this out. Also consider this: if you fail to find the drop of A♠ when it works, you can commiserate with all the other people who did the same thing, whereas if you drop A♠, and it turns out declarer was off Q♥ and the top two spades, you are going to look SUCH a duffer trying to explain it to all the other players who just sat back and watched their three tricks roll in ... hehe.
(note: QJxxx in original post edited to QJTxx, on further thought)
If declarer has 7 hearts, he has already drawn trumps and can ruff two spade losers at leisure, losing only the top two spades (or losing only one if he has K♠). Therefore the only shape with a chance to defeat the contract is 5-6-2-0.
Declarer has no diamond losers (he will take the finesse if he needs it) and obviously no club losers. If he has K♠, he can simply lead toward it through your A♠ and make the contract by ruffing the third and fourth round of spades in dummy, setting up the long fifth card.
Tossing the A♠ on the trump leads gains a trick when partner has Q♠ but not K♠, because then partner can gain the lead (instead of you) to lead a trump and restrict the ruffs to one. This only defeats the contract when partners trump is the Queen, because with K♠ declarer will only have one top loser in spades. Partner's spades will also need to be strong enough to prevent a ruffing finesse in spades when dummy has only one trump: QT8x is minimum.
Conversely discarding A♠ lets an unmakeable contract slip through when declarer has QJTxx or a number of other combinations promoted to single top loser by the dump of A♠.
Would I drop A♠? No! Because if declarer had the kind of hand where dropping the AS helps (♠Kxxxx-♥AKxxxx-♦xx-♣v) he would have instantly seen the problem on the FIRST heart trick when I show out. He would see that it cannot cost to cross in diamonds and lead a spade towards his K before drawing a second trump, making certain of two ruffs in dummy (if I discard A♠ on the FIRST round, he will simply lead K♠, lose a spade to partner and win K♥ if partner can lead a trump from QJ remaining, crossruffing clubs and spades thereafter).
Don't drop A♠ unless you think declarer could not have worked this out. Also consider this: if you fail to find the drop of A♠ when it works, you can commiserate with all the other people who did the same thing, whereas if you drop A♠, and it turns out declarer was off Q♥ and the top two spades, you are going to look SUCH a duffer trying to explain it to all the other players who just sat back and watched their three tricks roll in ... hehe.
(note: QJxxx in original post edited to QJTxx, on further thought)
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Posted 2006-August-24, 12:39
My feeling is that you are exactly right - the chance of someone finding this at the table is not very good.
I actually posted the hand (which I spied watching a team match on BBO) because I was intrigued that such a spectacular play existed "in real life". An unplayed suit where partner doesn't even have the KING of this suit, and at the third trick.
Of course if declarer had finessed diams immediately there would be no story.
Nonetheless congrats to Ben for winning the Kelsey Cup
I actually posted the hand (which I spied watching a team match on BBO) because I was intrigued that such a spectacular play existed "in real life". An unplayed suit where partner doesn't even have the KING of this suit, and at the third trick.
Of course if declarer had finessed diams immediately there would be no story.
Scoring: IMP
Nonetheless congrats to Ben for winning the Kelsey Cup
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Posted 2006-August-25, 03:53
Nice emperor's coup 
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