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Good bad or ugly #2 Another routine judgement call

Poll: And your call is (33 member(s) have cast votes)

And your call is

  1. Pass (11 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. Double (14 votes [42.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.42%

  3. 3[Cl] (8 votes [24.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.24%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   1eyedjack 

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Posted 2008-May-03, 05:37

Scoring: IMP

E...S...W...N
2H..??

2H = weak 2

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Posted 2008-May-03, 05:59

Routine dbl
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Posted 2008-May-03, 08:25

Double is clearly best just like if your RHO were to open 1H.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 09:02

I would like to have 4+♠ or more points to bid dbl.
So I prefer 3♣.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 09:08

I somewhat prefer dbl to 3♣ here as we could belong in ♦ or PD could have 5♠.

Sure I'd like to have a 4th ♠ or at least Hxx, but at least I likely can ruff a ♥ and have useful side cards if PD gets carried away.

Pass is possible, I'd likely pass if a ♦ were a ♥ here, although bidding 3♣ then is not terrible to me, but if I did, I'd consider it almost sub-min.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 09:49

Routine pass - this is that hand that makes weak 2-bids so effective at times.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 09:49

Ok I'll break the ice on the correct call. PASS.

Darnit Winston beat me.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 11:19

Double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-03, 11:33

Routine pass. Not strong enough for a double or an overcall, and the spade "suit" (and the use of quotes is deliberate) is not even close to adequate for a double.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 11:48

Could those who pass, please tell us the requirements for the reopening in 4th seat.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 12:17

I am sure that we could, but we are in direct seat.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 12:46

ArtK78, on May 3 2008, 08:17 PM, said:

I am sure that we could, but we are in direct seat.

The requirements for the reopening is related to the possible strength of the pass in direct seat.
So if you pass a 5431 shaped 11 count in direct seat, when do you reopen?

I'm sure that those who bid will require more in 4th seat.
If I pass my partner will expect less than 12 (11) HCP often with bad shape, so he won't reopen in 4th seat with less than good 12 HCP.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 12:55

Passing is really terrible, definitely X not close.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 17:42

hotShot, on May 3 2008, 12:48 PM, said:

Could those who pass, please tell us the requirements for the reopening in 4th seat.

Your looking at it, or real close to it.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 17:49

Jlall, on May 3 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

Passing is really terrible, definitely X not close.

I don't know, Justin, with the 2 world championships and the fine showing in the recent Spingold it is getting harder to argue with you....a little like trying to argue Einstein was wrong....
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Posted 2008-May-03, 17:51

Winstonm, on May 3 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

Jlall, on May 3 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

Passing is really terrible, definitely X not close.

I don't know, Justin, with the 2 world championships and the fine showing in the recent Spingold it is getting harder to argue with you....a little like trying to argue Einstein was wrong....

lol don't wory I am not a bridge god yet, so I can be wrong (amazing I know!). I feel pretty strongly about this one though.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 21:59

This is a decent hand. We'd like 4 spades to double, or at least Hxx, but passing violates the cardinal rule of competing over a preempt:

"The hand with shortness gets in the bidding".
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Posted 2008-May-04, 01:08

Passing is certainly not "terrible". I would x but it is a close thing.
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Posted 2008-May-04, 08:05

Easy X
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Posted 2008-May-04, 08:30

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We'd like 4 spades to double


You got a mouse in your pocket or something?
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