[rogerclee]

IMPs, All White, Fourth Seat

♠K ♥AQTxxx ♦AJx ♣8xx

(4♠) - P - (P) - ?

[ArcLight]

I think opener has a better chance of making 4♠ than you do of making anything.

Is the question whether to bid 5♥ as a sacrifice?

The spade king is wasted.
Probably LHO has few hearts so a finesse or two may work.
On the other hand any club finesses will not. Its not unlikley to lose 3 club tricks, and a spade trick. Or a spade a dime, and 2 clubs.

Bidding 5♥ is likley down, and on occasion will be doubled.
Maybe at MP its worth bididng becaus eyou expect 4S to make > 50% of the time.
I dont know about IMPs.
If they make 60% of the time, NV, and you are down 1+ 75% of the time NV, sometimes doubled, is it worth bididng?

Maybe the expected value is such that its worth bidding, shoing a small plus, hoping you aren't down too much, or that your occasional makes offset you occasional doubled down 2+.

[655321]

Double (takeout according to my agreements).

I don't think this is obvious. Indeed, I could be persuaded that pass is better.

Certainly doubling could land us into trouble. But it is also possible for 4♠ to be cold and we have a contract, or for 4♠ to be going a couple down.
If the spade King was moved to one of our other suits, I think double would be completely clear.

I don't like 5♥ at all.

[nige1]

rogerclee, on Jun 23 2008, 06:33 PM, said:

IMPs, All White, Fourth Seat ♠ K ♥ AQTxxx ♦ AJx ♣ 8xx
(4♠) - P - (P) - ?

Not obvious to me. My guess _X = 10, 5♥ = 7, _P = 6
The five level belongs to ME

[gnasher]

It looks like a pass to me. Since two people have already doubled, I suppose we should conclude that it's not obvious.

[han]

I would also pass. I have sympathy for double, not for 5H.

[SoTired]

Pass. I want to reserve my 5H or X for stronger hands. This is a 14hcp (with wasted ♠K), 7-loser hand. If you bid 5H and partner has xxx Kxxx Qxx AQx, wouldn't partner bid 6H?

[pclayton]

Pass for me too. Frankly I think its a non-problem.

[rogerclee]

I doubled, which happened to work on this deal. The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠Qx ♥Kxxx ♦KQxxx ♣Ax. We will leave it at that...

[Apollo81]

I'd pass, clearly the hand is not worth 5h, and I think Dbl will result in -x90 more than down 2+

[jdonn]

I don't think it's that hard to pass. Obviously bidding 5♥ is ridiculous, but if you double you won't find it when you belong there anyway. I might double online if I was mad or not being serious though.

[gnasher]

rogerclee, on Jun 26 2008, 01:20 AM, said:

The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠Qx ♥Kxxx ♦KQxxx ♣Ax.

Quite an effective joke - seven of us have just scored +100 on a hand where we're cold for slam.

Did you reach the slam?

[rogerclee]

gnasher, on Jun 26 2008, 01:10 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Jun 26 2008, 01:20 AM, said:

The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠Qx ♥Kxxx ♦KQxxx ♣Ax.

Quite an effective joke - seven of us have just scored +100 on a hand where we're cold for slam.

Did you reach the slam?

+50. You get one in each suit.

No, partner passed 4♠x, but we wouldn't have found slam anyway.

[gnasher]

Ah yes. 13 - 7 - 4 != 3

[nige1]

jdonn, on Jun 25 2008, 10:17 PM, said:

I don't think it's that hard to pass. Obviously bidding 5♥ is ridiculous, but if you double you won't find it when you belong there anyway. I might double online if I was mad or not being serious though.

rogerclee, on Jun 26 2008, 01:20 AM, said:

The 4♠ on the left was kind of a joke (7-4 in the blacks with two jacks). Partner had the nuts, ♠ Qx ♥ Kxxx ♦ KQxxx ♣Ax

gnasher, on Jun 26 2008, 01:10 AM, said:

Quite an effective joke - seven of us have just scored +100 on a hand where we're cold for slam. Did you reach the slam?

rogerclee, on Jun 26 2008, 03:14 AM, said:

+50. You get one in each suit. No, partner passed 4♠x, but we wouldn't have found slam anyway.

The majority require more than ♠ K ♥ AQTxxx ♦ AJx ♣ 8xx for a protective X. Presumably, opposite such a double, some would consider bidding game or slam with ♠ Qx ♥ Kxxx ♦ KQxxx ♣Ax?