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Tough play problem?

#21 User is offline   Halo 

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Posted 2008-June-26, 15:47

Jlall, on Jun 26 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

Halo, on Jun 26 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

At least some Bridge maybe. But still too much emotion and name dropping.

Are you categorically saying that small to the Queen of hearts is better than Queen of Spades?

We can leave mikeh to account for himself, as he or anyone else chooses so honestly to do.

There is a reason I ignore your posts. You are just one of those people for me. I am not sure why I altered my policy here but the merits of small heart to the queen have been posted several times now, and I explained the merits or lack thereof of playing the spade queen, so I'm not really sure what else you want. Would you like me to hold your hand? All you have added so far is to insult people and speak in a cryptic form of english. Back to ignoring you, but don't say I didn't try to help!

And FWIW you are the only one who has been at all emotional in this thread. And I won't even ask about "name dropping." lol.

Small heart to the Queen, loses for practical purposes, whenever the King is wrong.

How can that be better than error plus King on the left?

Jlall has given up my incomprehension. Anyone else like to give a quantified answer?.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 16:26

Halo, on Jun 26 2008, 10:47 PM, said:

Small heart to the Queen, loses for practical purposes, whenever the King is wrong.

OK, one more go. If I play a heart to the queen and it loses, then:

- West plays a spade. I play the queen of spades, the king of diamonds, the jack of diamonds to the queen, the ace of diamonds, and a spade to the jack.

- West plays a heart. I play the ace of hearts, the king of diamonds, the jack of diamonds to the queen, the ace of diamonds, the ten of spades, and a spade to the jack.

- West plays a diamond. I play the king of diamonds, the jack of diamonds to the queen, the ace of diamonds, the ten of spades, and a spade to the jack.

- West plays a club (best). I ruff in dummy, then play the king of diamonds, the ace of hearts, a heart ruff with the eight, the ace of diamonds, the queen of diamonds, the ten of spades, and a spade to the jack.

So, if a heart to the queen loses, but the king of spades is right, I still make unless West can overruff the third round of hearts.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-27, 02:22

gnasher, on Jun 26 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

So, if a heart to the queen loses, but the king of spades is right, I still make unless West can overruff the third round of hearts.

Granted some of my comments are incorrect. However, you don't seem to have considered LHO holding Kxxx of spades, when you can't pick up the suit (you still need a discard for your losing club). Also bear in mind 51 hearts in either hand.

I admit that my line (Queen of spades at trick two) needs RHO to make an error by forcing dummy about three times in ten, when he has the King of spades, in order to be better than a heart to the Queen.
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Posted 2008-June-27, 03:20

Halo, on Jun 27 2008, 09:22 AM, said:

Granted some of my comments are incorrect.

Is that all we're going to get?

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However, you don't seem  to have considered LHO holding Kxxx of spades, when you can't pick up the suit (you still need a discard for your losing club).  Also bear in mind 51 hearts in either hand.

Dummy has a heart winner on which to throw my club loser. Even if it didn't, I could play 10, spade to the jack, heart ruff, spade to the queen.

Regarding hearts 5-1, that is no more or less likely than spades 5-1.

My comments tend to be addressed to "Advanced" or "Expert-Class" players, because that's what it says at the top of the screen. I don't think any such player would wish me to discuss details which are completely obvious to them.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-27, 05:23

Halo, on Jun 26 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Although after hitch, 9 won by the King, a spade comes back and you have choices to make.

gnasher, on Jun 26 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

Not many.  Finesse the spade, draw trumps (overtaking, because you know that they're 3-2) and cash major-suit tricks.
If K is on the left, you need K onside.  The reason for playing 9 is to provide an entry back to hand in the event that LHO wins K and forces dummy again.
After a to the Q or 9 and K, and a return, you still seem to have a choice:
  • finesse. Hope LHO holds the major kings.
  • A. Hope T drops in three: 1 4 and 6 (including ruff).
IMO the 2nd is the better option. There is even the remote chance of a triple squeeze ;)
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