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AKxxx
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Jxx
Red against white, IMPs.
(1H) - p - (4H) - ??
Opponents do not have agreements about this auction, they play a standard system.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 09:05
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 09:07
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Posted 2008-July-01, 09:09
Classic 4♠ call.
You are between a rock and a hard place. If you pass and collect +100 (or, worse, -420) you lose big when you make game. And you know that partner cannot act if you don't act.
If you bid, and LHO has a big hand, you go for a number.
More and more you find better players treat (1♥) - P - (4♥) as a "transfer" to 4♠ if you have any excuse. You clearly have an excuse on this hand.
The only question is - does double make any sense on this hand? Clearly double does make some sense, since you have defense. But it is not likely to lead to a 4♠ contract.
There is one more advantage to the 4♠ call. Even when it is wrong (but not very wrong) the opps may not be able to work it out and they may bid one more.
Tough problem. I bid 4♠.
You are between a rock and a hard place. If you pass and collect +100 (or, worse, -420) you lose big when you make game. And you know that partner cannot act if you don't act.
If you bid, and LHO has a big hand, you go for a number.
More and more you find better players treat (1♥) - P - (4♥) as a "transfer" to 4♠ if you have any excuse. You clearly have an excuse on this hand.
The only question is - does double make any sense on this hand? Clearly double does make some sense, since you have defense. But it is not likely to lead to a 4♠ contract.
There is one more advantage to the 4♠ call. Even when it is wrong (but not very wrong) the opps may not be able to work it out and they may bid one more.
Tough problem. I bid 4♠.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 09:50
Against a strong club, where 4♥ can be anything from x xxxxx xx xxxxx to xx Qxx KJxx AQxx, I pass. There's just too much downside to bidding and we have possible book in our own hand.
Against a normal 4♥ call, I accept the transfer.
Against a normal 4♥ call, I accept the transfer.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 11:23
Wow I would never even consider bidding here. Partner didn't bid over 1H and we have decent defense.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 11:30
Agree with Justin. There is some concern that we have xx in ♥. Supposing that opponents bidding is based on a 10-card heart fit, that gives partner singleton. Why didn't partner double 1♥? Partner doesn't need more than 10 points or so for a takeout double holding singleton heart. So it seems like partner doesn't have much.
I think this would be a much harder problem if we held a singleton heart ourselves (and say one more diamond).
I think this would be a much harder problem if we held a singleton heart ourselves (and say one more diamond).
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Posted 2008-July-01, 11:50
awm, on Jul 1 2008, 12:30 PM, said:
Why didn't partner double 1♥? Partner doesn't need more than 10 points or so for a takeout double holding singleton heart. So it seems like partner doesn't have much.
Couldn't partner have a reasonable hand with 3=1=(45) shape? I'd want a really good 5 card suit (to overcall) or more than minimum to double 1♥ with only 3 spades.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 12:26
awm, on Jul 1 2008, 01:30 PM, said:
Agree with Justin. There is some concern that we have xx in ♥. Supposing that opponents bidding is based on a 10-card heart fit, that gives partner singleton. Why didn't partner double 1♥? Partner doesn't need more than 10 points or so for a takeout double holding singleton heart. So it seems like partner doesn't have much.
I think this would be a much harder problem if we held a singleton heart ourselves (and say one more diamond).
I think this would be a much harder problem if we held a singleton heart ourselves (and say one more diamond).
What makes you think partner has 10 HCP? Give LHO a normal opening hand of 13 HCP, and give RHO 5 HCP for his preempt. That leaves 8 HCP for partner, and he probably wouldn't double even with perfect 4144 shape.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 13:16
First instinct was to pass with 5332 with some defensive tricks, but reading some posts that suggest 4S might be right.. I'm eager to find out which is best, but I know I'd still be passing at the table.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 20:41
Pass for sure. It would be a reach to double but it might work.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-July-01, 23:40
WTP pass. If you are thinking about 4S its because you play too much Mp and not enough IMPs.
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Posted 2008-July-02, 00:42
WTP 4♠. If you are thinking about pass its because you play too much IMPs and not enough MP.
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Posted 2008-July-02, 04:55
With 2♥, I'm also a passer here.
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Posted 2008-July-02, 12:30
I doubled and it cost us quite a few IMPs. 
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-July-02, 13:43
han, on Jul 2 2008, 01:30 PM, said:
I doubled and it cost us quite a few IMPs.
I take it that bidding 4♠ was the winning action? After all, a double only costs 5 IMPs (unless they make overtricks, which hardly seems likely).
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Posted 2008-July-02, 19:48
han, on Jul 1 2008, 10:05 AM, said:
Red against white, IMPs. ♠ AKxxx ♥ xx ♦ AQx ♣ Jxx
(1H) - p - (4H) - ??
Opponents do not have agreements about this auction, they play a standard system.
(1H) - p - (4H) - ??
Opponents do not have agreements about this auction, they play a standard system.
IMO _X = 10, _P = 8, 4♠ = 4.
Wow! I appear to be the only man in step with Han. I have primary ♠ support and 3.5 honour tricks. What more am I waiting for? OK
I admit the doubleton ♥ is a drawback
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