[ewj]

Scoring: IMP

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So you open 1C, partner bids 1H.

You play 1m-1X-3NT as a hand too good to rebid 3m, so what I thought was perfect for this hand. Would you go for this, or would you rebid 2NT?

[matmat]

i like 3n. i'd prefer to have a 7th club or another honor in the suit, but 3♣ feels like an underbid. I guess 2N is an option too but it seems to me that if 2n makes so will 3n. I imagine a number of people would have opened this hand 2NT in the first place.

[655321]

Prefer a 2NT opening.

[jdonn]

The 3NT bid here seems perfect as you defined it. We are even happy to declare.

[pclayton]

Playing your stuff 3N fits, but I would normally expect 3N to be a solid suit which I don't have. Not playing your methods I would rebid 2♦.

[ewj]

Ok, perhaps a further question. How do you play 3NT? Do you play it as a better suit yourselves or do people play a similar style to this.

[mike777]

Prefer 2d but can live with 3nt.

[Winstonm]

Geez, how weird. Standard methods include a jump rebid to show 16-18 and a good 6-card sut - which (Holy *****, Batman!) happens to be what I have as my balanced 6322 shape doesn't improve the hand.

I bid 3C and am happy to have such an easy, descriptive bid to make.

(Three glasses of wine with dinner tonight so I'm on a roll.)

I have to challenge the consistency of thinking of all those who do not make the standard 3C rebid - the same ones who argue so strongly for weak responses to opening bids and then dream up perfect fitting hands to indulge their fantasies - well, maybe that's a bit much. Hee-hee.

To all you non-3C bidders, I give you partner's hand:

Jxxxx
Qxxxx
x
xx

And don't EVEN think you can convince me you would pass 1C.

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Jul 5 2008, 07:49 PM, said:

Geez, how weird.  Standard methods include a jump rebid to show 16-18 and a good 6-card sut - which (Holy *****, Batman!) happens to be what I have as my balanced 6322 shape doesn't improve the hand.

I bid 3C and am happy to have such an easy, descriptive bid to make.

(Three glasses of wine with dinner tonight so I'm on a roll.)  

I have to challenge the consistency of thinking of all those who do not make the standard 3C rebid - the same ones who argue so strongly for weak responses to opening bids and then dream up perfect fitting hands to indulge their fantasies - well, maybe that's a bit much.  Hee-hee. 

To all you non-3C bidders, I give you partner's hand:

Jxxxx
Qxxxx
x
xx

And don't EVEN think you can convince me you would pass 1C.  

Sure I would pass and I bet others would also pass at unfav vul. with this hand.

Now NV...sure I would bid 1h even with less

All the more reason I start with 2d rebid over 1h

[Winstonm]

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All the more reason I start with 2d rebid over 1h

Is there some reason to bastardize your shape with 2D rather than the tell-my-whole-story-in-one-bid 3C call?

Perhaps you feel you should do more bidding for the price of playing with inflation as it is and such.

[benlessard]

If partner respond light I would just bid 3C or 2Nt. If partner respond sound i would just bid 2D to GF. I prefer to open 1C than 2Nt. For me a 3Nt rebid should really suggest a running club suit stopper in the other suit and partner should have a h stopper to pass.

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Jul 5 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

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All the more reason I start with 2d rebid over 1h

Is there some reason to bastardize your shape with 2D rather than the tell-my-whole-story-in-one-bid 3C call?

Perhaps you feel you should do more bidding for the price of playing with inflation as it is and such.

Jump rebids of a minor are so widely defined by so many people that I try and avoid the bid if given the option.

With that said if this is a textbook 3c rebid or standard expert rebid of 3c.....so be it. Chalk this hand up to one more example than many of us do not know standard text bidding.

[MikeRJ]

I would rebid 2NT, at least gets NT played from the right side.

Mike

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Jul 5 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

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All the more reason I start with 2d rebid over 1h

Is there some reason to bastardize your shape with 2D rather than the tell-my-whole-story-in-one-bid 3C call?

Perhaps you feel you should do more bidding for the price of playing with inflation as it is and such.

Ok I just pulled out my Bible of standard bidding. William S. Root Commonsense Bidding. 1986.

page 44.

1c=1h
3c

Was 7....A62....A83....AKJ975. He calls this an 18 point hand.
He defines a jump rebid as 17-19 points(Goren I bet) and a good six card or longer suit.

[Winstonm]

MikeRJ, on Jul 5 2008, 08:50 PM, said:

I would rebid 2NT, at least gets NT played from the right side.

Mike

Kxx, Qxxx, xx, Qxxx

AQ, xx, KQx, AKxxxx

Opening lead heart J.

[Winstonm]

mike777, on Jul 5 2008, 08:57 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Jul 5 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

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All the more reason I start with 2d rebid over 1h

Is there some reason to bastardize your shape with 2D rather than the tell-my-whole-story-in-one-bid 3C call?

Perhaps you feel you should do more bidding for the price of playing with inflation as it is and such.

Ok I just pulled out my Bible of standard bidding. William S. Root Commonsense Bidding. 1986.

page 44.

1c=1h
3c

Was 7....A62....A83....AKJ975. He calls this an 18 point hand.
He defines a jump rebid as 17-19 points(Goren I bet) and a good six card or longer suit.

I happen to agree with Mr. Root. Notice that is a prime 16-count with 1336 shape as well as AKJ of the long suit.

The hand debated is 2236 with only AK of the long suit.

I don't mind calling Mr. Root's hand an 18-point hand as long as the understanding exists that the hand in question is no better due to the lack of shape and only fair suit.

Not Goren - I'm thinking Culbertson.

[nige1]

ewj, on Jul 5 2008, 06:34 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

So you open 1C, partner bids 1H.
You play 1m-1X-3NT as a hand too good to rebid 3m, so what I thought was perfect for this hand. Would you go for this, or would you rebid 2NT?

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IMO 3N = 10 "What it says on the tin"

[gnasher]

Jlall, on Jul 6 2008, 04:11 AM, said:

Agree with the other sicko who would have opened 2N, having not done that I would rebid 2N. This hand looks much more like a NT hand to me.

I don't think a 2NT opening particularly sick. It's sensible to treat this hand as balanced rather than as a one-suiter - otherwise 1C-1x-3C has to cover too wide a range of hands. If it's balanced, the options are to show 18-19, 20-21 or 22-24. If you think it too strong for 18-19 and too weak for 22-24, that makes it a 2NT opening.

I'm not convinced about the two-point upgrade though - the six card suit and good controls are offset by the yucky spade holding. I'd bid 1♣-1♥-2NT.

[ochinko]

I would think a 3NT rebid shows a weaker hand than 2NT but with a better suit. Something like

Kx
xx
Ax
AKQxxxx

If I am not mistaken I learned this from Francis Hinden in a similar thread here in the forums, but I am not sure if my example matches hers.