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#1 User is offline   jakob_r 

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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:13

Playing 2/1 what is the meaning of 3♦ in this auction

1♣-1♥, 1♠-3♣, 3♦-3♥,4♣-a.p.

and is 4♣ passable?

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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:17

jakob_r, on Jul 5 2008, 09:13 PM, said:

Playing 2/1 what is the meaning of 3♦ in this auction

1♣-1♥, 1♠-3♣, 3♦-3♥,4♣-a.p.

and is 4♣ passable?

Sorry if im posting in the wrong forum  :)

I play 3c here is invite, good invite. NOT game force.
3d=cue for 3nt NOT game force.
3H=cue for 3nt NOT game force.
4c=passable but pretty good hand.

If it matters after 3c I play 4d at anytime in auction by either party to be rkc for clubs........
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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:48

jakob_r, on Jul 5 2008, 09:13 PM, said:

Playing 2/1 what is the meaning of 3♦ in this auction
1♣-1♥, 1♠-3♣, 3♦-3♥,4♣-a.p.
and is 4♣ passable?
Sorry if im posting in the wrong forum  :)
I don't know 2/1 :( but since when has ignorance deterred the expression of opinions? :) From first principles :)
  • 3 ♦ = 4th suit asking for a ♦ stop e.g. ♠ Axxx ♥ x ♦ Jxx ♣ AKxxx
  • 3 ♥ = Natural or waiting move in case opener has a ♦ stop after all.
  • 4 ♣ = Natural non-forcing unless 4th suit is game-forcing (as many agree it to be).

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Posted 2008-July-06, 03:26

mike777, on Jul 6 2008, 03:17 AM, said:

3d=cue for 3nt NOT game force.
3H=cue for 3nt NOT game force.

Have you been spending too much time in Ken's company?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-06, 03:37

3♦ = asking for a diamond stop, denies three hearts
3♥ = denying a diamond stop, showing five decent hearts and suggesting a 5-2 fit
4♣ = to play

I'm not a big fan of auctions that are forcing to game or four of a minor, but it seems sensible that this 4♣ should be non-forcing, because both hands are limited. If 1♠ were forcing, I'd want 4♣ to be forcing too.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-06, 03:43

Welcome to the forums Jacob. I agree with gnasher's answer.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-06, 04:27

han, on Jul 6 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

Welcome to the forums Jacob. I agree with gnasher's answer.

Agree on both counts.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 14:50

Hey! With which gnasher answer do you gentlemen agree?!?!?

:rolleyes:

I mean, I agree with one of them myself. Which makes me disagree with the implication of the other. LOL
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Posted 2008-July-06, 15:02

I agree with exactly one of them. I don't have an opinion on the other.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-07, 02:39

kenrexford, on Jul 6 2008, 10:50 PM, said:

Hey! With which gnasher answer do you gentlemen agree?!?!?

:rolleyes:

I mean, I agree with one of them myself. Which makes me disagree with the implication of the other. LOL

I agree with the post where he said something bridgewise. I haven't got a clue regarding who's spent (too much or too little) time in your company, Ken! B)
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Posted 2008-July-07, 02:56

gnasher, on Jul 6 2008, 07:37 PM, said:

3♦ = asking for a diamond stop, denies three hearts
3♥ = denying a diamond stop, showing five decent hearts and suggesting a 5-2 fit
4♣ = to play

Agree. Welcome Jakob.  :rolleyes:
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Posted 2008-July-07, 03:40

Agree with Gnasher.

Suppose opener had something like

Qxxx
Jxx
AQ
AJxx

I.e. a diamond stopper and 3-card hearts support (yes, I know many prefer to rebid 1NT with this hand but suppose ftsota that we play up-the-line). Then I think opener should bid 3♥. Responder can then temporize with 3♠ to find 3NT.
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