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#1 User is offline   shanbari 

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Posted 2008-July-07, 13:28

Scoring: IMP

N - E - S - W
1C (2N) ??

opps overcall 2n to shows diamond and heart, and N/S vul.
you are holding south hand, and what to bid ?

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Posted 2008-July-07, 13:31

3♠, which is forcing. If p follows up with a bid in a black suit, I'll keycard. If P bids 3N I'll trust him and pass.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 13:31

3♠. This is non-forcing. A strong hand with spades would have bid 3♥ (some prefer 3♦, with 3♥ showing clubs)
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Posted 2008-July-07, 13:33

helene_t, on Jul 7 2008, 02:31 PM, said:

3♠. This is non-forcing. A strong hand with spades would have bid 2♥ (some prefer 2♦, with 2♥ showing clubs)

Whereas I agree 100% with your post here, I unfortunately cannot ever get my opponents to allow the 2♥ call and the extra space that creates for constructive bidding. So, I resign myself to the mundane 3♥ UVU bid.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 13:35

I would call this a maximum NF 3♠ bid.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 13:52

3♠ which is not forcing... doesn't everyone play unusual verus unusual (with possible exception of TylerE)
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Posted 2008-July-07, 13:56

inquiry, on Jul 7 2008, 02:52 PM, said:

3♠ which is not forcing... doesn't everyone play unusual verus unusual (with possible exception of TylerE)

Well, TylerE is committing to RKCB if Opener bids any black suit, meaning a simple raise to 4♠. So, apparently this is a GF hand with very serious slam interest.

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Posted 2008-July-07, 14:23

I'm upgrading this to an invitiational hand with the side club fit and great spade suit.

3♥ for me.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 14:25

pclayton, on Jul 7 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

I'm upgrading this to an invitiational hand with the side club fit and great spade suit.

3♥ for me.

You don't play 3♥ is game-forcing?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 14:39

The Club "fit" convinces me that its right to GF

I'll cue bid 3♦ or 3♥ depending on which shows a GFing hand with Spades.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 14:46

hrothgar, on Jul 7 2008, 03:39 PM, said:

The Club "fit" convinces me that its right to GF

I'll cue bid 3♦ or 3♥ depending on which shows a GFing hand with Spades.

I agree, the club fit makes this a GF.

I wonder what a direct 4♠ shows and how it differs from the cue-bid route.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 15:00

rogerclee, on Jul 7 2008, 12:25 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jul 7 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

I'm upgrading this to an invitiational hand with the side club fit and great spade suit.

3♥ for me.

You don't play 3♥ is game-forcing?

No. Does anyone?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 15:24

i guess i play un vs un different than others. because i play that 3S is non-forcing and 3D would shows LR+ in clubs and 3H would show invitational strength+ with a spade suit. Since my 8 hcp does not make this hand invitational unless partner has a fit, I'll just bid 3S.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 15:26

pclayton, on Jul 7 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Jul 7 2008, 12:25 PM, said:


You don't play 3♥ is game-forcing?

No. Does anyone?

I do. Or, at least, I play 3♦ as game-forcing with spades.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 15:44

I think a 3♠ bid (if this is your weakest spade bid) is a big underbid. You can call it invitational all day long, there are weaker hands where you need to bid. If I only have the choice between a non-forcing 3♠ or a game-forcing 3♥, then I think 3♥ is obvious.

I also thought 3♥ as inv+ with spades is NA standard.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 15:47

3 ♥ Inv+ for spades. wtp or was it wtf?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 16:10

cherdano, on Jul 7 2008, 04:44 PM, said:

I also thought 3♥ as inv+ with spades is NA standard.

Oh, I thought 3H was gameforcing.
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:04

han, on Jul 8 2008, 12:10 AM, said:

cherdano, on Jul 7 2008, 04:44 PM, said:

I also thought 3♥ as inv+ with spades is NA standard.

Oh, I thought 3H was gameforcing.

That, obviously, is open for agreement.

I prefer inv+, to be able to bid 3♠ only to compete. Both approaches have their up- and downside.
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:04

3♥, inv+ with spades. 3♠ NF is underbidding, yiou could have a whole ace less for the bid.
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Posted 2008-July-08, 05:13

TimG, on Jul 7 2008, 09:46 PM, said:

I wonder what a direct 4♠ shows and how it differs from the cue-bid route.

I would think the cuebid route shows a stronger and/or more flexible hand.
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