[rbforster]

gwnn, on May 11 2009, 02:10 AM, said:

I think he was giving a facetious answer to Kens question (albeit technically there was no question by Ken).

Right, although i didn't realize I gave the wrong answer until Hog pointed out the issue with opener's balancing double. In any case takeout doubles are my preference as well, although playing a weaker NT (13-15 vs 15-17) does make it a little more risky for opener to balance back into the auction than with a stronger one.

[ArtK78]

You have no practical choice but to pass. Any bid is an overbid.

It may work out fine - partner may have a 4333 hand.

[louisg]

No one has mentioned it yet, but I thought it was fairly common practice when playing penalty doubles in this auction to use 2NT as the rough equivalent of a negative double. Partner knows you have some values but not enough in their suit to make a penalty double, and can sit or pull as his hand dictates. Of course, this is incompatable with lebensohl.

[the hog]

louisg, on May 12 2009, 01:43 AM, said:

No one has mentioned it yet, but I thought it was fairly common practice when playing penalty doubles in this auction to use 2NT as the rough equivalent of a negative double. Partner knows you have some values but not enough in their suit to make a penalty double, and can sit or pull as his hand dictates. Of course, this is incompatable with lebensohl.

To be honest, I have never seen anyone play this. I also think it is unsound as you will often end up too high.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

kenrexford, on May 10 2009, 06:00 PM, said:

Play negative doubles.  Next hand.

I am not sure, that in the context of a weak
NT neg. X is best.
Because this assumes that partner is forced to
reopen, if he happens to hold xx in their suit,
when I passed, and sometimes I have to pass
with length in their suit, because I am dead.

The alternative: I have length and I am broke,
I am going bid, is also no a lot of fun.

In the current stuation, they got you, espesially
if they know, that a overcall over a weak NT
promises values.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[marcD]

The_Hog, on May 11 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

louisg, on May 12 2009, 01:43 AM, said:

No one has mentioned it yet, but I thought it was fairly common practice when playing penalty doubles in this auction to use 2NT as the rough equivalent of a negative double.  Partner knows you have some values but not enough in their suit to make a penalty double, and can sit or pull as his hand dictates.  Of course, this is incompatable with lebensohl.

To be honest, I have never seen anyone play this. I also think it is unsound as you will often end up too high.

Actually I think it may be a worthwhile idea . I play 1NT 10-12 non vulnerable and x is penalty. At MP you sometimes want to compete over 2♠ (say with a hand with 2 places to play) with 8-12 HCP . Guess it should be non forcing which create other problems. May be the best solution is not to play 10-12 at MP in the first place