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#21 User is offline   Mbodell 

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Posted 2009-May-16, 22:05

If you got rid of the two T and the 9 then maybe I'm closer to not opening 1NT. If you eliminate the two T and the 9 and the J, then I might not open 1NT. As is, I bid 1NT and I don't feel bad about it at all.
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Posted 2009-May-16, 22:45

Phil, on May 16 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

hanp, on May 16 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston.

There's a little cult of LTC fanatics that think a 1N opening is supposed to have 6 losers.

I have no idea what the source of this thinking is.

So what do they do with hands like Axxx Axx Axx Axx? That's 8 losers from what I've been told, 1 more than the hand in question.
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Posted 2009-May-16, 23:29

hanp, on May 17 2009, 04:45 AM, said:

Phil, on May 16 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

hanp, on May 16 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston.

There's a little cult of LTC fanatics that think a 1N opening is supposed to have 6 losers.

I have no idea what the source of this thinking is.

So what do they do with hands like Axxx Axx Axx Axx? That's 8 losers from what I've been told, 1 more than the hand in question.

With that, they downgrade for having 4 aces, and then for being 4333 so open 1C then rebid 1N :P .

ps I also open the OP 1N, won't be comfortable with some auctions after 1C.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 04:35

hanp, on May 17 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

Phil, on May 16 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

hanp, on May 16 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston.

There's a little cult of LTC fanatics that think a 1N opening is supposed to have 6 losers.

I have no idea what the source of this thinking is.

So what do they do with hands like Axxx Axx Axx Axx? That's 8 losers from what I've been told, 1 more than the hand in question.

No, an ace subtracts one and a half loser unless it's sec so that's 6 losers.

Anyway, of course the rule is not a good criterion for opening, but maybe it makes some sense for responder to assume appr. 6 losers when deciding whether to bid game after having found a fit.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 05:44

LTC is quite a reasonable tool once you've found a fit. But to use it to decide about NT openers is using a screwdriver to tighten a nut.

Counting doubleton queens as 0hcp, at least when opening, is taking pessimism too far.

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Posted 2009-May-17, 05:59

I would open 1NT. Opening 1♣ or 1NT both have issues but I feel opening 1♣ just creates problems for the future that may not get resolved successfully.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 09:12

hanp, on May 16 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston.

LoL. Spot on.

Leave it to me to search out the "and by the way there is also this" reasoning.
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