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Onward Christian Soldiers Declassified by GQ

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Posted 2009-May-17, 08:02

Stuff always gets out.

More and more sources from the Bush administration confirm that torture was used to try to confirm a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. And some of the abuse photos that Obama wants to keep hidden have now been published: Genitals blacked out. Even when a new administration promises transparency, it's sometimes necessary for reporters to help push the process.

GQ has published some of the covers of the daily briefings provided Bush in March and April of 2003, festooned with bible quotations and photos of praying soldiers: Onward Christian Soldiers.

The accompanying piece by Robert Draper (the official Bush biographer) describes Donald Rumsfeld as the person responsible for many of the most serious failures of the Bush administration, including blocking Bush's attempts to help New Orleans in the days after Katrina: AND HE SHALL BE JUDGED: It is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.

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But one government official was disturbed enough by these biblically seasoned sheets to hold on to copies, which I obtained recently while debriefing the past eight years with those who lived them inside the West Wing and the Pentagon. Over the past several months, the battle to define the Bush years has begun taking shape: As President Obama has rolled back his predecessor’s foreign and economic policies, Dick Cheney, Ari Fleischer, and former speechwriters Michael Gerson and Marc Thiessen have all taken to the airwaves or op-ed pages to cast the Bush years in a softer light. My conversations with more than a dozen Bush loyalists, including several former cabinet-level officials and senior military commanders, have revealed another element of this legacy-building moment: intense feelings of ill will toward Donald Rumsfeld. Though few of these individuals would speak for the record (knowing that their former boss, George W. Bush, would not approve of it), they believe that Rumsfeld’s actions epitomized the very traits—arrogance, stubbornness, obliviousness, ineptitude—that critics say drove the Bush presidency off the rails.

To shift gears a bit, I believe that information would surely have begun to leak if (for example) the Bush administration had had anything to do with the WTC collapse. You just can't keep such explosive stuff secret.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 08:35

It seems a standard ploy to dump all the blame on the already discredited (Rumsfeld). How curious that the "official" Bush biographer breaks the story.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 09:00

Winstonm, on May 17 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

It seems a standard ploy to dump all the blame on the already discredited (Rumsfeld). How curious that the "official" Bush biographer breaks the story.

Whatever personal qualities one ascribes to Bush the younger, accepting personal responsibility is not among them.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 11:50

PassedOut, on May 17 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

Winstonm, on May 17 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

It seems a standard ploy to dump all the blame on the already discredited (Rumsfeld).  How curious that the "official" Bush biographer breaks the story.

Whatever personal qualities one ascribes to Bush the younger, accepting personal responsibility is not among them.

i'm sure that will change this administration
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Posted 2009-May-17, 11:59

PassedOut, on May 17 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

Winstonm, on May 17 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

It seems a standard ploy to dump all the blame on the already discredited (Rumsfeld).  How curious that the "official" Bush biographer breaks the story.

Whatever personal qualities one ascribes to Bush the younger, accepting personal responsibility is not among them.

Perhaps not, but introducing his personal qualities into a discussion about a statement made by someone else seems a bit much.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 12:02

blackshoe, on May 17 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

PassedOut, on May 17 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

Winstonm, on May 17 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

It seems a standard ploy to dump all the blame on the already discredited (Rumsfeld).  How curious that the "official" Bush biographer breaks the story.

Whatever personal qualities one ascribes to Bush the younger, accepting personal responsibility is not among them.

Perhaps not, but introducing his personal qualities into a discussion about a statement made by someone else seems a bit much.

True, my comment was inappropriate in context.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 12:05

luke warm, on May 17 2009, 12:50 PM, said:

PassedOut, on May 17 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

Winstonm, on May 17 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

It seems a standard ploy to dump all the blame on the already discredited (Rumsfeld).  How curious that the "official" Bush biographer breaks the story.

Whatever personal qualities one ascribes to Bush the younger, accepting personal responsibility is not among them.

i'm sure that will change with this administration

I agree.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 11:01

I didn't realize that Rumsfeld was a religious kook too. I'm all for people having insane beliefs but not if they want to lead the military or hold elected office. I wish we'd get on with the war crimes investigations and trials so we can put this ugly chapter behind us.
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