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Every rebid feels wrong

Poll: you rebid (46 member(s) have cast votes)

you rebid

  1. 1 Spade (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1 No Trump (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2 Clubs (3 votes [6.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.52%

  4. 2 No Trump (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 3 Clubs (31 votes [67.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 67.39%

  6. 3 No Trump (11 votes [23.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.91%

  7. Another unlisted choice, which I will explain below (1 votes [2.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.17%

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#21 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2009-May-18, 13:07

Why does 3♣ feel wrong?

3N is an overbid and doesn't respect partner's judgment.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 13:40

Phil, you have 8 tricks. All you need is pard to have 1 card.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 13:58

You need partner to have 1 trick, not 1 card.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 13:59

whereagles, on May 18 2009, 02:40 PM, said:

Phil, you have 8 tricks. All you need is pard to have 1 card.

I hope that card isn't the ♥K. Then the opponents might make 3N on defense.

High diamond or spade cards do not give us 3N if we are open in a suit and they have a cashing ace on the side.

Even if pard has stops in ♠/♦, we still might not make.

Nuno, I'm feeling better and better about 3♣. Thanks.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 14:09

hanp, on May 18 2009, 07:36 PM, said:

helene_t, on May 18 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

If you rebid 3NT with this hand, a subsequent 4♣ from responder would be to play, right?

Not for me.

Not for me either but that's because for me 3NT shows a tad more than this hand.

Btw, those who bid 3NT with this hand, what do they bid with the same hand with stops in both unbid suits? Also 3NT?
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Posted 2009-May-18, 18:18

hanp, on May 19 2009, 01:36 AM, said:

helene_t, on May 18 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

If you rebid 3NT with this hand, a subsequent 4♣ from responder would be to play, right?

Not for me.

No. 4C would be a slam try.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 21:44

3C feels so right.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 23:01

Phil, on May 18 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

Why does 3♣ feel wrong?

I guess because I would open 3N without the ace of hearts (playing the popular gambling 3N). I think that 3 clubs is the right call, but it somehow doesn't get across the playing potential of the hand in my view, that I suspect I have 8 tricks in hand.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 03:18

Phil, on May 18 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Nuno, I'm feeling better and better about 3♣. Thanks.

Well, I just think it's a bit incoherent to open a gambling 3NT on a hand that is WEAKER than the one shown. Surely we must have a better play for 3NT with the original hand than if he had opened a gambling 3NT on the same hand without the side ace, no?
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Posted 2009-May-19, 09:15

whereagles, on May 19 2009, 04:18 AM, said:

Phil, on May 18 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Nuno, I'm feeling better and better about 3♣. Thanks.

Well, I just think it's a bit incoherent to open a gambling 3NT on a hand that is WEAKER than the one shown. Surely we must have a better play for 3NT with the original hand than if he had opened a gambling 3NT on the same hand without the side ace, no?

That is a preempt, it's a totally different situation. Here both opponents have already passed. Gambling 3NT is just a 4 minor opening that doesn't bypass 3NT, just in case.

Anyway your best point is that gambling 3NT is a bad convention, it does nothing to say a 3NT rebid is right on this hand.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 09:36

3C is almost forcing for me. If you can make 9 tricks for 110 you can try for 9 in Nt for 400/600 pts . So its pretty clear cut bid for me.
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