[mtvesuvius]

All NV at IMPs you pick up this wonderful monster:

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Q9xxx
AKQTxxxx

Partner opens 1♥ 11-15 and RHO doubles, what's your plan?

[CSGibson]

I have no idea as to a scientific way to bid this, so I guess I'd try & walk the dog, bidding 2 clubs even if it is non-forcing (with that many spades, someone's keeping the auction open), and then keep on bidding clubs until I've bought the contract, hopefully doubled.

[Free]

Depends a lot on what's forcing... I'd just start with bidding ♣ at a low level, and see what happens.

[mtvesuvius]

1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)
P - (P) - ?

[helene_t]

6♣

[kenrexford]

What I play over TO Doubles in one partnership helps:

1. Suit/Lead

2. 2NT = three-card LIM+ raise

3. JS#1 (1♥-X-2♠ or 1♠-X-3♣) = minors, competitive

4. JS#2 (1♥-X-3♣ or 1♠-X-3♦) = GOOD 4-card limit raise, or 16+ raise (will make noise later)

5. JS#3 (1♥-X-3♦ or 1♠-X-3♥) = LIMIX raise

6. Jump Raise = BAD 4-card limit raise (9-10 HCP)

7. Transfer Raise = normal 3-4 support (slightly better -- includes Mixed Raise)

8. Simple Raise = nuisance (3-4 cards, weak)

9. 4♦ = 4-card super raise (13-15), balanced

10. 3NT = club fit-jump ("Leaping Suit/Lead")

11. 4♣ = diamond fit-jump ("Leaping Suit/Lead")

Because the opening was 1♥, I can bid 2♠, planning to force later with a wild club bid. Harder problem after 1♠ opening, because 3♣ would not be forcing.

[aguahombre]

If this forum is on sayc and 2/1 why is 1H limited to 15 HCP?

[Free]

mtvesuvius, on May 24 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)
P - (P) - ?

3♦ is this a problem?

[CSGibson]

Free, on May 24 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

mtvesuvius, on May 24 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)
P - (P) - ?

3♦ is this a problem?

yeah, 3 diamonds is a problem. I don't even want to offer partner a chance to play diamonds unless he can introduce the suit on his own, because he might be tempted to take preferences to that suit no matter how many times I bid clubs. Stop and look at the suits. Which one is trump?

I'm going to bid a modest 3 spades.

[aguahombre]

CsGibson is certainly right about 3D now. But, how comfortable was responder with the initial 2C bid, which could have been made with XX - XXXX QJTXXXX, or some such hand ---and played right there?

Cappeletti, a long time ago, wrote an article and a Pamplet on "Cappeletti over 1M X". It involves a whole structure of transfer responses, and various major raises to show contructive raises, preemptive raises, bad single suiters, and invitational one- and two-suiters. It also allows for mini-splinter jump shifts.

So, using his concept, this hand would have started with 1N to show clubs. In that context, 3D now is not quite so distasteful.

[Free]

@CSGibson: If you bid 3♠ now, do you really think opener will bid anything else than 3NT? Opps are quiet all of a sudden, so partner will probably have ♠s stopped. Obviously it would be great if partner could introduce ♦ himself, but I think the chances of this are quite small. If we bid 3♦, then partner will support with a good ♦ suit. If he doesn't have a minor fit, or a poor ♦ suit, he'll probably just bid 3NT.

@aguahombre: I prefer to play 2♣ forcing (actually I prefer transfers, but that's not standard), so I would not bid 2♣ on the hand you posted. But, like I mentioned before, it depends on your agreements on what's forcing or not. Bidding 3♦ now must be forcing (unless 2♣ was NF, in which case I wouldn't start with 2♣).

[JLOL]

I'd overcall 5C. Doubling is ridiculous lol. If you want to be scientific start with 2N then bid clubs.

[neilkaz]

This is a super freak... we have 22-26 HCP between us..so lets think...

Opps clearly have at least 9♠ between them and perhaps more and if LHO has 6 or 7 of them he's likely going to bid 4♠. I think you'll have to bid 5♣ over 4♠

RHO may have 4♣ along with his double and in that case it may not be easy to pick up the ♣J in a ♣ contract. Also in ♣ slam you may have 2♦ losers.

6♣ is too pushy for me... 5♣ it is and honestly I don't mind being X'd but don't think walking the dog here with continued ♣ bids is correct as I may be passed shy of game or the opps may bid and have freakish enough hands to make 5♠ or PD may decide to bid 5♥ if I slow play.

Bid what you think you can make..and that is 5♣ which is also what you have to bid over opp 4♠ anyhow.

[CSGibson]

Free, on May 24 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

@CSGibson: If you bid 3♠ now, do you really think opener will bid anything else than 3NT?

If partner bids 3N, then I know we have spade wastage along with our heart wastage, so I'll play it there, in our most likely game contract. After all, 5 clubs isn't anywhere near a sure make; RHO made a takeout double of hearts, so only likely has 4 spades, and he probably doesn't have more than 5 clubs - let's be generous and give him 3. Leave him with 2 hearts and 4 diamonds, and now 5 clubs isn't a walk in the park, is it?

On the other hand, what if partner cannot bid 3N? Then 6 clubs becomes a better possibility - partner doesn't have spade wastage, and probably has the Ace or king of diamonds to go along with the rest of his hand - hopefully the ace so I can play down to the Q, but I'll make due if I have to.

So let's call 3 spades a discovery bid. If partner can bid 3N, we'll play it there and likely make the contract. If partner can't bid 3N, then I get really excited and try 6 clubs on for size.

[CSGibson]

JLOL, on May 24 2009, 05:03 PM, said:

I'd overcall 5C. Doubling is ridiculous lol. If you want to be scientific start with 2N then bid clubs.

I think you didn't see the auction right. Partner opens a ♥, and RHO doubles.

I would generally play 5 clubs as exclusion in this auction, so fast arrival is out for me; don't want any disasters.

[whereagles]

A straight 5♣ for me. Hope pard doesn't take this as voidwood or what not... lol.

You can't get scientific with 2 voids, although you COULD try a forcing diamond bid to see if pard raises that.

[mtvesuvius]

Our Auction:

1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)
P - (P) - 3♦ - (P)
3NT - (P) - 4♠ - (P)
5♥ - (P) - 6♣ - All Pass

4♠ was exclusion, 5♥ was 2 Aces

Partner held:

AT43
AQT75
A8
42

K♠ lead, the play was a little interesting also, but relatively simple. Win in dummy, and lead a diamond to the Q. RHO had the king, so all was well, however if LHO shows up with the king, then you can draw 1 round of trump, and try to ruff the last ♦ in dummy. This requires 3-3♦ or K♦ onside or 4-2♦ where the person with 2 also has 1 trump... I guess there may have been squeeze possibilities, but I think this line is a lot better.

[Fluffy]

mtvesuvius, on May 24 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)
P - (P) - ?

Partner is so likelly to have spades that I would settle for just 5 clubs after this start (3NT at MP is also reasonable!)

Starting with 2 clubs is neccesary, we want partner to be able to bid diamonds naturally himself.

[Phil]

mtvesuvius, on May 25 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

I guess there may have been squeeze possibilities.

No.

You played it right.

[jdonn]

I would probably just bid 6♣ the first time, 5 seems too pessimistic opposite an opening bid.