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Posted 2009-July-12, 20:06

From Andrew Sullivan's continuing rant in today's Sunday Times. A quandary Andrew?

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Writing about Sarah Palin always presents a quandary. Does one operate under the usual assumption that this is a rational figure, a serious politician, a rising Republican star . . . or do you acknowledge the copious evidence that she cannot tell the truth, has delusions of grandeur, has no policy record to speak of and quit her job as Alaska governor halfway through her first term because she is, in her own explanation, “not a quitter”? I think that you have to proceed under the assumption that this is a joke of a candidate and a symptom of a political party in the middle of a mental breakdown.

Mind you, I love the idea of Sarah Palin: a brassy, no-nonsense enemy of bloated government and corruption. That was probably John McCain’s rough idea of who she was in the five minutes his staff vetted her, and on the one occasion he’d met her, before offering her a chance to be leader of the free world. The idea of Sarah Palin, though, is sadly not the reality of Sarah Palin.

The reality of Sarah Palin is that politics is a means to her higher goal: celebrity. Every action she takes is designed to make sense . . . if you believe that government is really a version of a reality show. The remote, David Lynch-style location, the family often in trouble with the law, the pregnant teenage daughter and her impossibly handsome redneck boyfriend, the boyfriend’s angry sister, an ornery Alaskan trooper, a few moose and mysterious pregnancies . . . and, well, the mini-series never ends. The best guess I’ve heard of the real reason for her abrupt departure is: “I’m a celebrity . . . get me out of here!”

No one yet understands the real reason for a first-term governor just quitting on Friday, July 3, with no advance notice. If it were planned, why did her husband have to travel 300 miles to be there? Why do it all on a federal holiday before the Fourth of July? As Bubble from Absolutely Fabulous might note: “Who can say?”

A blog reader scanned every single governor of all the states for the past century to find precedents. There are plenty of examples of governors being arrested, being impeached or dying. But only two others in American history have just up and quit: Eliot Spitzer, New York governor, involved in a professional escort service after he had vowed to clean up the state; and Jim McGreevey, whose gay lover blackmailed him. Palin has quit for no apparent reason.

If it were to spend time with her family, it would be understandable, but she insists that’s not the case — and if you’re prepared to run for national office months after giving birth to an infant with Down’s syndrome, it’s a little odd to quit the governorship of a state when you have only a year and a half to go. It doesn’t make sense politically since it implies she could do the same thing at any moment in any future office. Why should anyone vote for someone who could quit for no good reason at any time?

But trying to makes sense of Sarah Palin is a fool’s errand. I spent a lot of time last year trying to figure out how her bizarre pregnancy story could make any sense at all — it doesn’t — and came up with nothing but a suspicion that large parts of it were made up. If you present the facts to Palin spokespeople, they seem offended and regard you as some liberal hater. But the facts reveal she lies all the time about almost everything and so is probably improvising about her reasons for resigning.

I’ve now compiled 32 incontrovertibly untrue statements of fact that she has uttered in the public record and never retracted. They are not the usual political lies — spinning or shading the truth; they are demonstrably, empirically untrue in the public record. Some are trivial: Palin said on television that she asked her daughters to vote on whether she should accept the vice-presidency offer; but that story contradicts details given by Palin herself, who said she accepted the offer on the spot.

Others are more serious: Palin lied when she said the dismissal of Walt Monegan, her public safety commissioner, had nothing to do with his refusal to fire Mike Wooten (her former brother-in-law, who was at war with her family) from his job as a state trooper; in fact, the Branchflower report concluded she repeatedly abused her power when dealing with both men.

Palin lied when she repeatedly claimed to have said, “Thanks, but no thanks,” to the famous “bridge to nowhere”, an expensive, pork-barrel government project; in fact, she openly campaigned for the federal project when running for governor. I could go on. But the truth is, she’s a reality-show star vaulted to national prominence by a Republican party now so devoid of talent and desperate for some kind of support that it gambled on the political equivalent of Susan Boyle. One who couldn’t even sing.

My own bet is that there is another scandal out there that would have forced her resignation if she hadn’t pre-empted it. Yet as plausible is the simple notion uttered by the only person in the melodrama who seems halfway sane: Levi Johnston, the teenage father of Palin’s grandson: “I think the big deal was the book. That was millions of dollars.” With a multi-million-dollar book deal, Palin can now become the darling of the right-wing media in America without the tedious duties of actually, you know, governing something. If the book contains scandals we have not yet learnt about, it could be explosively big in the mainstream; if it’s a hagiography, it could sell well with an adoring religious base.

And this helps explain the broader problem with American conservatism right now. It is less a movement than an industry. From Fox News to talk radio to conservative publishing houses, it has created an alternate and lucrative media reality that is worth a fortune to those able to exploit it. Alas, these alternative media thrive on paranoia, hatred of liberal elites and growing extremist rhetoric made worse by a hermetically sealed echo chamber of true believers. Anyone criticised by the left or even by the establishment right is a martyr in this world. In America, martyrdom sells. And Palin is a product worth lots of money.

She wants some of it; and she has no actual interest in governing America (even though she’d love the title of president). She referred to giving up her “title” as governor, not her “office”. In this, she is the ultimate Republican of this degenerate moment: all culture war, no policy; all identity politics, no engagement with practical answers to difficult public problems; and all hysterical opposition to Barack Obama, no actual alternatives offered.

Since even epic scandals heighten celebrity rather than diminish it, Palin’s future is secure. Her party’s? Getting bleaker by the day.

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Posted 2009-July-12, 20:26

MY take:
1) not that complicated...she just quit. I mean that in a negative sense of the word.
2) I guess anyone can come back in politics my guess here not before 2020.
3) Agree as others have mentioned, now she can make some bucks.
"Palin’s future is secure. Her party’s? Getting bleaker by the day."


btw as for her firing that jerk....give it a rest...he was worst ahole. He beat her sister.

Also pls stop blaming her for being born with an IQ lower than Obama.

Feel free to blame her for not studying. :)
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Posted 2009-July-12, 21:23

I am a big fan of Palin - I thought she won the talent part of the debate with her fictional short story about an Alaskan governor who could see Russia from her porch and put lipstick on dogs.
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Posted 2009-July-12, 22:00

Winstonm, on Jul 12 2009, 10:23 PM, said:

I am a big fan of Palin - I thought she won the talent part of the debate with her fictional short story about an Alaskan governor who could see Russia from her porch and put lipstick on dogs.

Yes, this seems to be the viewpoint, ridicule ....one can never win at that.
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Posted 2009-July-12, 22:15

Nixon quit politics in, I believe, 1962. ("You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around any more.") In 1968, he was elected President. Whether Palin's quitting is permanent remains to be seen.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 10:19

Winstonm, on Jul 12 2009, 10:23 PM, said:

I am a big fan of Palin - I thought she won the talent part of the debate with her fictional short story about an Alaskan governor who could see Russia from her porch and put lipstick on dogs.

I dunno...the way Biden talked, you'd have almost thought that he and Obama had a different position on gay marriage than Palin and McCain.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 11:00

mike777, on Jul 13 2009, 07:00 AM, said:

Winstonm, on Jul 12 2009, 10:23 PM, said:

I am a big fan of Palin - I thought she won the talent part of the debate with her fictional short story about an Alaskan governor who could see  Russia from her porch and put lipstick on dogs.

Yes, this seems to be the viewpoint, ridicule ....one can never win at that.

Ridicule has long been the standard response to idol worship... What does Palin bring to the table other than the cult of personality?

Please note: I will agree that many of Obama's exhibit similar behaviour. However, I think that Obama brings a lot to the table above and beyond this.

I'm going to do something that I almost never do: Quote from the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal (In this case, the conclusion of Peggy Noonan's recent "Farewell of Harms" piece on Palin.

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Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.

The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.

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Posted 2009-July-13, 11:41

blackshoe, on Jul 12 2009, 11:15 PM, said:

Nixon quit politics in, I believe, 1962. ("You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around any more.") In 1968, he was elected President. Whether Palin's quitting is permanent remains to be seen.

Nixon's election as President in 1968 was one of the most remarkable political resurrections of our age. And we all lived to regret it.

I remember when I first heard that the Republican Party was considering nominating Richard Nixon for President in 1968. I was only 12 at the time, and my initial thought was "You must be joking!" Well, the joke was on us.

Note also that Richard Nixon "quit" politics in 1962 after losing the race for Governor of California. He didn't quit office in mid-term, as Sarah Palin did.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 11:53

ArtK78, on Jul 13 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Jul 12 2009, 11:15 PM, said:

Nixon quit politics in, I believe, 1962. ("You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around any more.") In 1968, he was elected President. Whether Palin's quitting is permanent remains to be seen.

Nixon's election as President in 1968 was one of the most remarkable political resurrections of our age. And we all lived to regret it.

I remember when I first heard that the Republican Party was considering nominating Richard Nixon for President in 1968. I was only 12 at the time, and my initial thought was "You must be joking!" Well, the joke was on us.

Note also that Richard Nixon "quit" politics in 1962 after losing the race for Governor of California. He didn't quit office in mid-term, as Sarah Palin did.

Yes.

But to be fair didn't he have that secret plan to end the war in Asia? :(

Now if Palin has a secret plan to end the war(s) in Asia in 2020......


Despite the really cruel jokes about her and her family is one fact, she Quit!
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Posted 2009-July-13, 12:10

The most amusing thing about her is that she repeatedly stressed that she was not a quitter. HELLO?!?
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Posted 2009-July-13, 12:51

Apollo81, on Jul 13 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

The most amusing thing about her is that she repeatedly stressed that she was not a quitter. HELLO?!?

That was kind of amusing. I'm not a quitter, except when I have excuses.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 15:47

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    The most amusing thing about her is that she repeatedly stressed that she was not a quitter. HELLO?!?


The point is that when you quit, being a quitter or not doesn't matter anymore :) My guess is she got an offer to make more money than as as governor of a sparsely populated state (I'm assuming she makes less than a gov of a big state like California or Texas).
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Posted 2009-July-13, 18:58

Gerben42, on Jul 13 2009, 04:47 PM, said:

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    The most amusing thing about her is that she repeatedly stressed that she was not a quitter. HELLO?!?


The point is that when you quit, being a quitter or not doesn't matter anymore ;) My guess is she got an offer to make more money than as as governor of a sparsely populated state (I'm assuming she makes less than a gov of a big state like California or Texas).

She will probably make 10-20 million over next 24 months. Yes this is more than governor pays. :)
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