Would you push to slam? Or do you pass?
#1
Posted 2009-July-09, 09:12
♠A9
♥KT87
♦AJxx
♣ATx
And partner bids 2♠, which is stayman for the minors (he has the minors, not the Majors and he's looking for slam as he also has available 3♥/3♠ which shows at least 9 cards in the minors, singleton or void in the major bid and usually 3 cards in the other with enough HCP's for game, but only game). You bid 3♦ which shows 4 or 5 diamonds and not 4 clubs and partner bids 5♦, what would you bid?
1NT 2♠*
3♦ 5♦
???
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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#2
Posted 2009-July-09, 09:36
#4
Posted 2009-July-09, 10:09
Pass.
#5
Posted 2009-July-09, 10:16
Hanoi5, on Jul 9 2009, 10:12 AM, said:
Pass. The 5D call should cancel any slam interest his previous actions might have shown.
Additionally, I find it difficult to concieve a hand where he was looking for slam and yet he could not find any cuebid below 5D. (I suppose one might exist, but it escapes me at the moment).
So many experts, not enough X cards.
#6
Posted 2009-July-09, 10:37
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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#7
Posted 2009-July-09, 11:01
#8
Posted 2009-July-09, 11:03
Hanoi5, on Jul 9 2009, 11:37 AM, said:
lol?
#9
Posted 2009-July-09, 11:11
Hanoi5, on Jul 9 2009, 11:37 AM, said:
The reasoning behind the Pass is that partner is in charge. He said 5D. He did not invite to slam.
#10
Posted 2009-July-09, 11:25
Hanoi5, on Jul 9 2009, 10:12 AM, said:
♠A9
♥KT87
♦AJxx
♣ATx
And partner bids 2♠, which is stayman for the minors (he has the minors, not the Majors and he's looking for slam as he also has available 3♥/3♠ which shows at least 9 cards in the minors, singleton or void in the major bid and usually 3 cards in the other with enough HCP's for game, but only game). You bid 3♦ which shows 4 or 5 diamonds and not 4 clubs and partner bids 5♦, what would you bid?
1NT 2♠*
3♦ 5♦
???
What would partner bid with 55 in the minors and game going values?
It sounds to me like you and your partner disagreed about the slam invitational nature of 2♠ and it would be better to clear up with him whether this sequence is a slam try or not (and how it differs from the same sequence ending in 4♦ instead of 5♦) rather than trying to be right about it here.
#11
Posted 2009-July-09, 12:16
The fact that 3M over 1N shows some 5431, minor 2 suiter with no slam interest does not imply that one should use 2♠ only with slam interest! What if he has some 6=5 hand? What would 3minor be by him had you bid 2N over 2♠? And so on.
Are you unable, systemically, to find your best minor suit when he is 65 or 66? It sounds like it, according to your explanation.
As it is, you have an awesome hand, and you would absolutely bid slam IF he promised slam invitational values... but the logic of your methods (but not of your understanding of them) suggests otherwise.... clearly one of you is mistaken... if he does have slam interest he has royally screwed up by making the impossible jump. If he has bid correctly, maybe he is gambling on game making, because his choices were pass or bid game... anything in between being slammish.
As it is: pass and after the session calmly discuss.
#12
Posted 2009-July-09, 13:42
#13
Posted 2009-July-09, 13:44
This was my partner's hand:
♠x
♥QJx
♦Kxxx
♣Kxxxx
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#14
Posted 2009-July-09, 13:45
Hanoi5, on Jul 9 2009, 02:44 PM, said:
This was my partner's hand:
♠x
♥QJx
♦Kxxx
♣Kxxxx
Good hand to play that 3S shows.... oh wait.
#15
Posted 2009-July-09, 13:57
If this was a hole in your system where you can't bid minor hands without slam interest then pass. Well pass next time.
If partner misbid as it seems he did then it is impossible to decide at the table.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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#16
Posted 2009-July-09, 15:24
Hanoi5, on Jul 9 2009, 02:44 PM, said:
This was my partner's hand:
♠x
♥QJx
♦Kxxx
♣Kxxxx
So, 6D-1 pushed with 3N-1?
This really is a non-problem as posed since any inference from responder not bidding 3♠ to show this hand is obviously invalid.
#17
Posted 2009-July-09, 15:42
#19
Posted 2009-July-09, 16:01
#20
Posted 2009-July-09, 16:56
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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