[jkdood]

The laws/rules language about things that "may be corrected only if done so without pause or thought, all in one breath" surely recognizes that not everyone's brain/eye/hand/voice coordination is 100% in sync or perfect...

...with disabled, seniors, bidding boxes, touchpads, etc; in the mix, it's surely less than a 100% state of affairs.

The "intention" when leading towards the AQ is to play the Q unless the K shows. If a fast or even unexpected K results in a timely correction via a (rules-allowed or tournament-allowed) claim of mis-speak or mis-click, insisting otherwise as an opp deserves some adjectives not allowed in this forum.

On a hopefully friendlier helpful note, maye try to think of it as a typo. We know the word we want to communicate. We have an idea of it's spelling that when executed, will be our final choice or corrected if we type too fast or it doesn't somehow come out or look right. Would you deny someone the opportunity to correct the typo because they weren't 100% "on"?

[peachy]

jillybean, on Aug 23 2010, 01:52 PM, said:

This is where we differ , I believe asking for an undo when you realise you could have won the trick is not an admirable way of playing bridge. This is an exact game, you've got to be on 100% of the time.

OTOH, I you want to play a game where people can take back a card played when they realise they could have won the trick, thats fine and you will have a lot of supporters.

I admit I agree with jillybean. Bridge is a game where mistakes typically cost and those who make fewest of them usually do well. If it is practice game or just for fun, fine, undo all we want (and I allow undo if I am host). But with any sort of stakes, even if it is just for monsterpoints, live with our mistakes whether live bridge or online.

[jkdood]

Sounds like some of ya are just eagerly waiting for an opp to have a heart attack in the middle of the game and expose his/her whole hand to you. What an easy way to win a trick or two extra!!!

[JoAnneM]

There are lots of venues for playing bridge online and I think that someone who has trouble with the mouse/touchpad should maybe stick to open tables where nothing is at stake and they can set their own parameters.

I had a longtime partner, now deceased, on Okbridge who was very arthritic and slow. We knew better than to enter tournaments, which would only be frustrating for him in terms of time allowed and undo's. But, we enjoyed several years of fun bridge at our own open table allowing undo's and slow play - we always had a full table.

Of course this has nothing to do with the opening post, where it sounds to me like the director probably didn't even consider the situation, just granted the undo.

[jkdood]

Yeah, keep those annoying slow arthritic seniors out of the BBO Free Tournaments! Now we are talking!

[blackshoe]

The laws don't say anything about "all in one breath". That's a (poor, imo) guideline with which somebody or other came up.

[jkdood]

Its from Law of Contract Bridge at
http://www.mindracer.com/rules.htm

[blackshoe]

Hm. Not familiar with that site, but the laws themselves don't use the phrase, and it can lead to problems.

[Free]

Was this a free tournament?

[Fluffy]

want this?

[barmar]

While something like the touchpad scenario that people have mentioned is certainly possible, what do you think is most likely? That he had this touchpad problem at the exact worst moment, or that he played too quickly and didn't notice the ruff until too late? I'm sure we've all made the latter mistake many times, both online and f2f.

And in a goulash tourney, it seems to me that you should be extra watchful. By definition, you don't expect suits to break nicely, so you have to be on the lookout for unexpected ruffs at all times.

But on the other hand, when you enter a goulash, you shouldn't expect a high level of bridge. These are silly tournaments just for a laugh, don't get too hung up on them.

[jkdood]

barmar, on Aug 25 2010, 12:02 AM, said:

...what do you think is most likely?

What SHOULD BE most likely is that if someone says they misclicked, in a timely notification, and it is feasible, do not call them a liar.

Maybe record it, and if it happens sufficiently, start assuming otherwise. Or give them fair warning they will not be awarded undo's any more.

Further, I wish TDs even in BBO FREE-for-all's understood recording and did it. The other day, a "world class" pair from the same overseas country with similar profile, playing precision, balanced in 2C after 1S p p, with 2C, on Jtxxx of C and 7 HCP.

We competed to 2S but with KJx Axx Axx Q9xx their partner sold out, and it was right.

I privately askd the TD to review the auction and possibly record the board. The TD couldn't understand why I asked that, or even what I was asking, even with several explanations. They kept replying "I see nothing illegal here".

[barmar]

jkdood, on Aug 25 2010, 01:27 AM, said:

barmar, on Aug 25 2010, 12:02 AM, said:

...what do you think is most likely?

What SHOULD BE most likely is that if someone says they misclicked, in a timely notification, and it is feasible, do not call them a liar.

I wish I lived in that world. But here in the real world, most so-called "misclicks" are actually playing too quickly and not paying attention.

And unless BBO has a recorder system in place, where do you expect TDs to record these things?

[jkdood]

barmar, on Aug 25 2010, 12:37 AM, said:

... where do you expect TDs to record these things?

Uhh in a PC text file .txt?

[Walddk]

blackshoe, on Aug 23 2010, 06:00 PM, said:

Guess what. You don't get an "undo" here. Nor should you online.

I said it first time in 2002 and many time since. Let the UNDO button be greyed out for normal play and keep it for only vugraph operators and teaching tables. Live with your misclicks like you must live with your errors in real life.

Roland

[Free]

Walddk, on Aug 25 2010, 12:01 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Aug 23 2010, 06:00 PM, said:

Guess what. You don't get an "undo" here. Nor should you online.

I said it first time in 2002 and many time since. Let the UNDO button be greyed out for normal play and keep it for only vugraph operators and teaching tables. Live with your misclicks like you must live with your errors in real life.

Roland

I agree, although you might want to keep the choice in the relaxed bridge room.

[barmar]

jkdood, on Aug 25 2010, 01:46 AM, said:

barmar, on Aug 25 2010, 12:37 AM, said:

... where do you expect TDs to record these things?

Uhh in a PC text file .txt?

I was thinking that the record should be shared among all the different tourneys to have a hope of noticing a pattern.

[jkdood]

barmar, on Aug 25 2010, 07:06 AM, said:

I was thinking that the record should be shared among all the different tourneys to have a hope of noticing a pattern.

Good idea.

I volunteer:
Send me your text files I will do an NDA (non-disclosure form) and then collate and run a match program and send back updates.