[gnasher]

Yes, that first one is eight losers, so you can't possibly open it.

[helene_t]

LOL, you need to read Arend's signature, Andy.

[ggwhiz]

I once opened 1♣ in first chair with a 2-count cause I was counting my cards instead of my points.

This looks like a reverse style of brain cramp. My pard once opened 1nt on a 23-count by accident and when I bid game, she bid slam.

[JLOGIC]

gnasher, on Aug 27 2010, 10:31 AM, said:

Yes, that first one is eight losers, so you can't possibly open it.

Even if you didn't open it why would you balance with 3N? Especially with the 2nd hand. Those just seem like retarded 3N bids.

[JLOGIC]

MFA, on Aug 27 2010, 04:39 AM, said:

Maybe the 2-suited interpretation with clubs and some (or any) major is good and logical, but absent partnership discussion I (or "we" rather) don't invent such things at the table. Never. By default 3N is natural if it is at all possible.

I don't think its inventing that if you bid NT as a passed hand it's takeout not natural. I would expect every expert partner to know p 2H p p 2N is minors, and I would think that p 3H p p 3N as minors also is a pretty logical extension.

[whereagles]

JLOGIC, on Aug 27 2010, 08:44 PM, said:

gnasher, on Aug 27 2010, 10:31 AM, said:

Yes, that first one is eight losers, so you can't possibly open it.

Even if you didn't open it why would you balance with 3N? Especially with the 2nd hand. Those just seem like retarded 3N bids.

While that sort of language kind of shows your degree of education, I'll indulge you.

It's not like I would balance on those two hands, or any other 10-11 hcp balanced hand for that matter. Just so you know, I agree the bid is probably best used to show some two-suited hand. I mentioned the bal 10-11 interpretation because some people might do it (players sometimes pass with 12 even). You might not agree, but you know it's true.

[JLOGIC]

whereagles, on Aug 29 2010, 05:14 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Aug 27 2010, 08:44 PM, said:

gnasher, on Aug 27 2010, 10:31 AM, said:

Yes, that first one is eight losers, so you can't possibly open it.

Even if you didn't open it why would you balance with 3N? Especially with the 2nd hand. Those just seem like retarded 3N bids.

While that sort of language kind of shows your degree of education, I'll indulge you.

lol, yes I dropped out of high school I'm unedumacated you know english better than me please excuse my stupidity, I don't know any synonyms for retarded. You are far superior to me in both english and as a human being and in logic and in bridge and in every way, I am so happy you indulged me.

What the **** is wrong with you people? What is a good synonym for **** there by the way, I didn't learn that in school.

I love you holier than thou people. If I call a BID retarded I am a horrible person, but if you just attack my "degree of education" and my "poor english" that is totally fine. Not that I do not ever personally attack people when I'm angry, but the ***** that makes you people mad is almost always me saying a BID is bad or a train of logic is bad. It's absolutely fine to attack my education or intelligence or sanity or appearance or character or integrity or substance abuse issues, NO PROBLEM. Maybe get your priorities straight.

Here is another educated phrase for you **** you and **** right off *******, and **** everyone like you.

This post has been edited by JLOGIC: 2010-August-29, 04:39

[helene_t]

I'll have to correct you, Nuno: It is "level", not "degree".