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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-September-02, 06:52

what would you lead against 7H with

QJx
x
Qxxx
KTxxx

it went

1N-2C
2H-4C
4S-7H

4C was gerber.

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Posted 2010-September-02, 07:04

This is a nonsensical auction.

What is LHO bidding a grand on?

It can't get gobs of points (I have too many)
It can't be a running suit (I have honors in everything but Hearts)

I'm going to lead a Heart. If LHO didn't bother asking for the King / Queen of Hearts, he must be sitting on a pretty solid collection. In turn, this gives me a passive lead that (hopefully) won't finesse partner.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 07:13

gwnn, on Sep 2 2010, 07:52 AM, said:

what would you lead against 7H with

QJx
x
Qxxx
KTxxx

it went

1N-2C
2H-4C
4S-7H

4C was gerber.

matchpoints

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Posted 2010-September-02, 07:14

I have no idea.
Simulations won't help me on this one either.
Awaiting replies as well...
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Posted 2010-September-02, 09:00

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Posted 2010-September-02, 09:08

heart for me. I'd take a wild guess and say dummy is 6-5 in the majors.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 09:10

hrothgar, on Sep 2 2010, 08:04 AM, said:

This is a nonsensical auction.

What is LHO bidding a grand on?

It can't get gobs of points (I have too many)
It can't be a running suit (I have honors in everything but Hearts)

I'm going to lead a Heart.  If LHO didn't bother asking for the King / Queen of Hearts, he must be sitting on a pretty solid collection.  In turn, this gives me a passive lead that (hopefully) won't finesse partner.

Regular or Key Card Gerber Gwnn?

Why does LHO need a running suit for this bidding? I can picture a good hand with 5-6 diamonds and the missing key cards, i.e., x KQxx AKJTxx Ax. That gives RHO AKx, AJxx, xx, QJxx

I think this might clue us in that a diamond lead (to eliminate the 2nd finesse) might be in order.

I also think that there might be an outside chance partner may be void and didn't x.

The other possibility is that the opponents are just plain clueless since they use Gerber here, and I can lead anything and it will fail :)
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Posted 2010-September-02, 09:17

Put me down for a heart too. I'm thinking LHO has 16HCP and a void. Maybe he's 4=5=4=0.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 09:18

Regular Gerber.
Actually maybe LHO asked for Kings as well. I wasn't at the table actually.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 11:37

Anything could be right or wrong but I'm in for a ♦x

Pard could still hold 4♥ so I'm blowing that off, a ♣ doesn't appeal and (hoping) that there are only 4♥ coming down in dummy for us to have much of a chance, dummy will also have 4+ spades to rule that suit out.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 11:38

I presume 4S = 2 kc without ♥Q. As these days it seems in fashion to bid a grand without trump Q (relying on a trump opening lead to resolve the guess), I am not going to lead a heart. I would probably lead a spade instead, and if I want to be tricky, I'd try the J.
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-02, 11:44

no 4♠ was just 2 aces :)
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Posted 2010-September-02, 12:21

gwnn, on Sep 2 2010, 12:44 PM, said:

no 4♠ was just 2 aces :)

Same lead. :)
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-02, 12:31

Diamond. Same reason as Phil.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 12:40

I think a heart lead is madness. One of our main chances to beat this is that partner has Jxxx in trumps.

Phil's construction is quite convincing.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 21:26

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Posted 2010-September-02, 22:01

gnasher, on Sep 2 2010, 01:40 PM, said:

I think a heart lead is madness. One of our main chances to beat this is that partner has Jxxx in trumps.

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Posted 2010-September-03, 03:05

dummy has

KTxxx
KQTxx
AK
x

sorry opener actually said 4NT not 4S my fault

a spade gives it away, anything else beats it.
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Posted 2010-September-03, 11:25

gwnn, on Sep 3 2010, 04:05 AM, said:

dummy has

KTxxx
KQTxx
AK
x

sorry opener actually said 4NT not 4S my fault

a spade gives it away, anything else beats it.

I was pretty close. Bidding a grand with the actual hand seems insane so it's pretty hard to reconstruct. Was there extra information we should have known like someone trying for a late swing or a history of making insane bids?
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Posted 2010-September-03, 12:10

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gwnn, on Sep 3 2010, 04:05 AM, said:

dummy has

KTxxx
KQTxx
AK
x

sorry opener actually said 4NT not 4S my fault

a spade gives it away, anything else beats it.

I was pretty close. Bidding a grand with the actual hand seems insane so it's pretty hard to reconstruct. Was there extra information we should have known like someone trying for a late swing or a history of making insane bids?

If the partnership does not have sophisticated bidding methods, bidding a grand opposite 3 aces and a 5 card heart suit is not the worst idea I have ever seen. It just takes shortness in spades or the ♠Q in declarer's hand to make 7♥ a virtual claim, and there are some other possibilities (declarer could be 3-5-1-4 and throw his losing spade away on dummy's diamonds, squeeze chances, finesse possibilities if declarer holds the ♠J, and LHO leading a spade from QJx or some other holding that lets declarer pick up the suit).
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