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takeout Dbl of Spades

Poll: What does it mean? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

What does it mean?

  1. I have Spades (3 votes [8.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.11%

  2. I don't have Spades, but I have the rest (34 votes [91.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.89%

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#1 User is offline   Free 

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Posted 2010-September-06, 02:47

Just to be clear.

In some other thread it's about a defense against multi where Dbl (resp. 2♥) mean takeout of ♥ (resp. ♠). But what does "takeout of ♠" really mean? Does it suggest opener has ♠ and we Dbl for takeout (being short in ♠), or does it mean we have the strength of a takeout Dbl with ♠s?
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Posted 2010-September-06, 09:08

It means you are short in spades and have support for the other 3 suits.
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Posted 2010-September-06, 09:16

amongst native english speakers i'm sure it would be unanimous that it means short spades.
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Posted 2010-September-06, 09:36

The key is the word "of" (spades)...meaning support for the other suits.

"Takeout WITH spades" would be the other meaning. This is sometimes used to describe a 2H overcall of a Flannery 2D (if that is the agreement).
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Posted 2010-September-06, 09:55

another unanimous poll down the drain
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Posted 2010-September-06, 10:00

gwnn, on Sep 6 2010, 09:55 AM, said:

another unanimous poll down the drain

Apparently someone didn't notice the language Free chose to ask the question.
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Posted 2010-September-06, 10:49

jdonn, on Sep 6 2010, 10:08 AM, said:

It means you are short in spades and have support for the other 3 suits.

Exactly, could be 4--3-3 though with weak spades.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-07, 01:42

Thanks for clearing that up everyone (except 3 voters) :)
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Posted 2010-September-07, 01:47

Ufff. I was pretty sure it means other suits, not spades but those posts surprised me before (finesse the queen !) so I was a bit nervous about my English again...

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another unanimous poll down the drain


The results are still impressive taking into account that many posters on this forum are not native speakers and some of them (like me) learnt English from the internet... :)
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