[awm]

Scoring: IMP

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East deals:

1♣ - 1♠
2♠ - Pass

Who should've bid more?

[JLOGIC]

2S is terribad, pass is very bad, I'll go with 70-30 east.

If you are playing awm style where you raise extremely frequently with 3 trumps and a balanced hand then wests pass is more reasonable I guess, I don't really know how to play that style seems like hands like west are very hard to judge (much much better opposite 4 trumps, or 3 trumps and a red stiff), so I won't give a judgement on west in that case.

[JLOGIC]

Clee was talking to me and convinced me that it's right to pass 2S in awm style of raising... please clarify what style the 2S bid is in wrt that.

[karlson]

I blame opener -- I think the hand is just too good for a single raise. Obviously it also looks quite light for a reverse, but that seems the lesser evil.

Hijack: score it up for transfer responses. 1c-1h-1s-1n-2h showing almost exactly this hand the way I play. (or 1c-1h-1s-2s-some try-game).

[JLOGIC]

karlson, on Sep 17 2010, 01:51 AM, said:

I blame opener -- I think the hand is just too good for a single raise. Obviously it also looks quite light for a reverse, but that seems the lesser evil.

Hijack: score it up for transfer responses. 1c-1h-1s-1n-2h showing almost exactly this hand the way I play. (or 1c-1h-1s-2s-some try-game).

Why does it look quite light for a reverse? I don't get it, I view it as a totally normal reverse with this shape. Yes it's not SIXTEEN HIGH CARDS but with various shapes there are different strengths for reversing. This is not only 15 high cards, it's a very good 15.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I voted West, but the answer is most likely both.

West sees a 9 card fit, ok single in partner suit is not nice,
but he is certainly worth another move.

East may be to strong for the single raise, maybe he should
bid the 2H, depends a little on your requirements for reverses.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[peachy]

The spade Axx solidifies opener's hand as reverse even if it hadn't been a reverse originally (IMO, it is anyway). Supporting spades can wait til next round. East gets the blame.

[Fluffy]

very nice to have reverse strenght, otherwise I'd be playing 2♣.

[flytoox]

Are this pair playing Reverse forcing to game?

If not, I would say east's hand qualifies for a non GF reverse and hence would be easier to bid.

As others mentioned, this is a good case for 4 card raise.


This being said, I still think east shld reverse anyway for good suit quality

[gwnn]

East has a perfect reverse, not even minimum I'd say, every card pulls its weight, from the singleton diamond to the fifth club to the 9 of hearts.

I'd pass from West without a thought but it's interesting that Mr. Logic considers it as a game try, will try to think about it.

[JLOGIC]

Wasn't it suggested recently in some thread that 1C-1S-2H-2S-3S should be forcing? lol that was a good one, I hope we don't play that!

[whereagles]

1♣ 1♠
2♥ 2♠
4♠

perhaps?

[ONEferBRID]

whereagles, on Sep 17 2010, 07:52 AM, said:

1♣ 1♠
2♥ 2♠
4♠

perhaps?

yes, agree.

[cherdanno]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 17 2010, 08:18 AM, said:

whereagles, on Sep 17 2010, 07:52 AM, said:

1♣ 1♠
2♥ 2♠
4♠

perhaps?

yes, agree.

Why would anyone bid 4S, rather than a non-forcing 3S? Is this hand suddenly a game force? Does our partner not know how to evaluate opposite a 3415 reverse?

[pooltuna]

JLOGIC, on Sep 17 2010, 02:04 AM, said:

karlson, on Sep 17 2010, 01:51 AM, said:

I blame opener -- I think the hand is just too good for a single raise. Obviously it also looks quite light for a reverse, but that seems the lesser evil.

Hijack: score it up for transfer responses. 1c-1h-1s-1n-2h showing almost exactly this hand the way I play. (or 1c-1h-1s-2s-some try-game).

Why does it look quite light for a reverse? I don't get it, I view it as a totally normal reverse with this shape. Yes it's not SIXTEEN HIGH CARDS but with various shapes there are different strengths for reversing. This is not only 15 high cards, it's a very good 15.

so your auction goes 1♣-1♠; 2♥-2NT (not necessarily the actual hand) now do you bid 3♠? and hope partner has the actual hand instead of JTxx Axx xxxx xx (or do you expect him to pass 2♥)

[jdonn]

I agree with both but more opener. I make it about 15-85.

[gwnn]

pooltuna, on Sep 17 2010, 02:49 PM, said:

JLOGIC, on Sep 17 2010, 02:04 AM, said:

karlson, on Sep 17 2010, 01:51 AM, said:

I blame opener -- I think the hand is just too good for a single raise. Obviously it also looks quite light for a reverse, but that seems the lesser evil.

Hijack: score it up for transfer responses. 1c-1h-1s-1n-2h showing almost exactly this hand the way I play. (or 1c-1h-1s-2s-some try-game).

Why does it look quite light for a reverse? I don't get it, I view it as a totally normal reverse with this shape. Yes it's not SIXTEEN HIGH CARDS but with various shapes there are different strengths for reversing. This is not only 15 high cards, it's a very good 15.

so your auction goes 1♣-1♠; 2♥-2NT (not necessarily the actual hand) now do you bid 3♠? and hope partner has the actual hand instead of JTxx Axx xxxx xx (or do you expect him to pass 2♥)

partner always bids 2♠ with 5+ and always bids something other than 2♠ with 4. it's a nice way to treat reverses and opener can bid 3♣ with any minimum reverse over 2NT, even if he has 3 card support. with a maximum reverse you can bid 3♠ over 2NT if you have 3415 to pattern out and help partner.

[bucky]

When partner bids spades, East has a clear reverse, not a minimum. Over partner's 2S rebid showing 5+, East hand is good enough to raise to 4S. Give partner KQxxx and out, game has good prospect.

[hanp]

Adam, west's 2S bid is so alien to me that I am very surprised you would post this hand.

[bucky]

pooltuna, on Sep 17 2010, 09:49 AM, said:

so your auction goes 1♣-1♠; 2♥-2NT (not necessarily the actual hand) now do you bid 3♠? and hope partner has the actual hand instead of JTxx Axx xxxx xx (or do you expect him to pass 2♥)

Over 2NT (which is possibly artificial and denies 5+ spades), 3♣ is painless. But with JTxx Axx xxxx xx, I'd serious think about an anti-system pass of the 2♥ bid (Marshall Miles would agree).