[raist]

all red
partner deals and opens 1♣, bidding goes 1♣-(P)-1N-(2♠) pass back to you on balancing seat

JT9 Axx KQTxx xx
what do you bid and why?

does 3D come to mind?
does it matter that you play a prepared club where partner opens 1C systemically even with 4Ds and 2Cs, for example?

i feel like 3D is quite a poor bid but i can't quite articulate why to my partner
any suggestions?

[pooltuna]

at MP I am inclined to X to show a maximum and a willingness to defend. Much harder problem at IMPS I would probably pass and defend undoubled.

[bill1157]

is an initial response of 1 ♦ natural?

[aguahombre]

bill1157, on Sep 19 2010, 10:57 AM, said:

is an initial response of 1 ♦ natural?

Maybe not for them, but even in a natural system 1NT would be chosen by many players for systemic reasons. For instance, if 1C-1N shows 8-10, and 1D is nebulous ---weaker in NT or real suit and stronger hand or longer suit.

Transfer responders to 1C will also be comfortable with not having bid 1D

Having bid 1NT showing 8-10, I would defend 2S in peace, blaming our agreements if opener has four diamonds and 2 clubs; and definitely calling 1C something other than "prepared".

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2010-September-19, 11:18

[raist]

bill1157, on Sep 19 2010, 11:57 AM, said:

is an initial response of 1 ♦ natural?

yes we play 1♦ NAT (for now anyway)
and 1N is 8-10

we were playing IMPs

3D feels pretty dangerous to me with 3 spades

[whereagles]

The hand has 12 cards, so I take it you have 3 clubs.

It is very likely pard will have one of these:

1. 12-14 balanced
2. 11-14 unbalanced with 5 clubs and 4 in a red suit

If he has hand 1, you'll probably get away with bidding 3♦. However, if he has hand 2, 3♦ now is frought with danger, as you may get a xx15 for dummy.

Still, double seems to be fine, as you already denied a 4 card major. I'd try that, regardless of scoring and match status. If pard bis..

2NT: you can either sit it or pull to 3♦ if you feel like hogging the hand
3♣: pard probably has the unbalanced variant, so you should sit it
3♦: fine, pass
3♥ and higher: I can't really see why he'd bid that.

[raist]

whereagles, on Sep 19 2010, 01:36 PM, said:

The hand has 12 cards, so I take it you have 3 clubs.

It is very likely pard will have one of these:

1. 12-14 balanced
2. 11-14 unbalanced with 5 clubs and 4 in a red suit

If he has hand 1, you'll probably get away with bidding 3♦. However, if he has hand 2, 3♦ now is frought with danger, as you may get a xx15 for dummy.

Still, double seems to be fine, as you already denied a 4 card major. I'd try that, regardless of scoring and match status. If pard bis..

2NT: you can either sit it or pull to 3♦ if you feel like hogging the hand
3♣: pard probably has the unbalanced variant, so you should sit it
3♦: fine, pass
3♥ and higher: I can't really see why he'd bid that.

sorry you have a 3352 hand

what you said sounds reasonable though

[whereagles]

hmm.. well, I sit for my analysis, but if pard bids 3♣ over the double, I might consider pulling to 3♦ if opps double that in a flash

[Vampyr]

As the Scotsman said to the motorist, I wouldn't start from here...

[whereagles]

I'm not familiar with that expression lol

[aguahombre]

Vampyr, on Sep 19 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

As the Scotsman said to the motorist, I wouldn't start from here...

How about, "you are already there."

[655321]

In the unlikely event that partner has 4 diamonds and 2 clubs, he also has 3 or 4 spades. If opener had a takeout double available over 2♠ then many hands with short spades can be ruled out, and defending 2♠ looks a good option.

[andy_h]

Pass now. Don't understand why I didn't bid my KQ10xx.

[flytoox]

I am dbling here.