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#1 User is offline   wank 

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Posted 2010-November-01, 19:59

I was watching the a teams match on bbo and commented on a bid. i was shouted down. i asked a rhetorical question to back up my argument. i say it was a rhetorical question because i considered the answer totally obvious. others disagreed vehemently. in particular one forum poster disagreed and i said i'd wager my house that a majority on here would support my position.

the wager wasn't accepted (unsurprisingly) but just so i can feel smug, what do you bid with this? scoring is imps. assume you're playing vanilla 2/1


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Posted 2010-November-01, 20:03

3 WTP
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-November-01, 20:06

3H is obvious to me.
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Posted 2010-November-01, 20:11

3H
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Posted 2010-November-01, 20:16

3, WTFE?
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Posted 2010-November-01, 21:40

3,
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Posted 2010-November-01, 21:47

quite. the teams match in question was the JEC BBO thing so there were plenty of supposedly decent kibs. i received no support for saying this was an obvious 3 call. instead a load of them, including 2 with BBO stars said 3NT was clear.
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Posted 2010-November-02, 03:27

3NT is a bg fat joke, I prefer to bid 4 leaving 3 for real support hands but that's not a vanilla 2/1 style.
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Posted 2010-November-02, 05:12

View Postwank, on 2010-November-01, 21:47, said:

quite. the teams match in question was the JEC BBO thing so there were plenty of supposedly decent kibs. i received no support for saying this was an obvious 3 call. instead a load of them, including 2 with BBO stars said 3NT was clear.


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Posted 2010-November-02, 05:57

100% clear 3H bid and await further developments. Those who believe 3NT is correct must have missed something.
In fact I find it hard to believe 3N was given more than a brief consideration, perhaps a nano second. I am not sure what people expect from 3D, for me this is normally a distributional hand approx 19 and game forcing. 2NT would be more balanced or semi balanced 18-19 and NF.
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Posted 2010-November-02, 06:55

I actually bid 4H. Let partner know there is no A, nor singleton, nor void here. I see 4H no higher.
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Posted 2010-November-02, 09:28

3NT - but this will be a minory position.

I would prefer to bid 3H, but cant due to systemic agreements, so 3NT it is.

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Posted 2010-November-02, 10:12

Again, I'll post Justin's ( jlal , JLOGIC ) comment about these SJS auctions in general:

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Imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jumpshift.


Here is what he says about 3H ( HIS CHOICE ... could be as few as 2 card support ) vs 3NT ( from another thread http://forums.bridge...showtopic=37712 ):

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....Because we could belong in hearts....

Partner could have 6 hearts easily.

If we bid 3N, partner will not know if we have 0..... or 2 hearts. So if he has 6 hearts, he will have a hard time bidding 4H over 3N. This is especially true if his hearts aren't great.


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.... Because we could belong in Diam...

Partner could have 5-5 very easily, and we might belong in diamonds. Partner would need an extremely strong hand to bid 4D over 3N........ Over 3H he will have a much easier time rebidding 4D if we bid 3H and he has some concentrated 5-5.


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....Because 3H does not preclude any strain or level, and 3N often will....

Jumpshift auctions are bulky, a lot of room has been used up to create a GF, and many shapes are still possible for opener. Bidding 3H on a doubleton saves room, and allows for an intelligent investigation of strain and level, which is perfect since we have ( 3 ) possible strains, and possible slam.

This is a prototypical hand where you should be bidding 3H on a doubleton.

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Posted 2010-November-02, 11:54

View Postwank, on 2010-November-01, 19:59, said:

I was watching the a teams match on bbo and commented on a bid. i was shouted down. i asked a rhetorical question to back up my argument. i say it was a rhetorical question because i considered the answer totally obvious. others disagreed vehemently. in particular one forum poster disagreed and i said i'd wager my house that a majority on here would support my position.

the wager wasn't accepted (unsurprisingly) but just so i can feel smug, what do you bid with this? scoring is imps. assume you're playing vanilla 2/1




Certainly any of the next 3 level bids is feasible ...3 except I would think this was weaker, 3 has to be artificial but even if real has to be a choice of games, and of course 3NT but not crazy about my stopper but it will generally work out okay.
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Posted 2010-November-02, 12:16

View Postewj, on 2010-November-02, 05:12, said:

lol


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Posted 2010-November-04, 08:39

View PostPhil, on 2010-November-02, 12:16, said:

x2

You can also just press the + button on the bottom right B)
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Posted 2010-November-04, 09:31

View PostFree, on 2010-November-04, 08:39, said:

You can also just press the + button on the bottom right B)

doh I don't have that avaible with Tyler's skin :(
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Posted 2010-November-04, 09:57

View PostFree, on 2010-November-04, 08:39, said:

You can also just press the + button on the bottom right B)


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Posted 2010-November-04, 10:49

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Posted 2010-November-05, 06:39

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