[lamford]

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Your methods are Standard Surrey (named after Bob Surrey, secretary of a bridge club in Wales), and 4D would show 5-6 in the minors (3D would be strong, but non-forcing). What do you call? And how do you keep clubs in the picture, in case you need to right-side it?

[Bbradley62]

What would 2♠ show in Standard Surrey?

[lamford]

Bbradley62, on 2011-April-03, 13:23, said:

What would 2♠ show in Standard Surrey?

I presume any good hand, probably agreeing hearts, or too good to limit. Partner has Qx AJxxx QJxx xx, so might bid 3D over that.

[MrAce]

lamford, on 2011-April-03, 13:16, said:

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Your methods are Standard Surrey (named after Bob Surrey, secretary of a bridge club in Wales), and 4D would show 5-6 in the minors (3D would be strong, but non-forcing). What do you call? And how do you keep clubs in the picture, in case you need to right-side it?

With all due respect, 3♦ being non-forcing or 4♦ showing 5-6 sounds like a sci-fi to me and/or interpretation of the system user rather than system itself. I have not seen in any major system on earth (at least published ones) which tells what this 3 or 4♦ would be explicitly after an overcall and pd response at 2 level a new suit, since (correct me if i am wrong)none of these has anything to do with system after competition and should be solved by pdship agreements with in common bridge logic.

Check the system notes again, i am sure there will not be explicit notes for this auction. But IF there is, just forget about this hand because your problem is much bigger than this deal only. Best cure is to burn those system notes before it spreads to other victims and find yourself a better system. You would be doing a big favour not only to yourself but to the bridge community in Wales.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

if 4D is not an option, than I have to bid 5D.

I have found a fit, and so I wont try to keep clubs
in the picture, but the diamond shortage will imply
5 clubs, so p may bid 6C as a choice of slam, he wont
do this, byut maybe I can do this with my next bid.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: 2S - is asing for a stopper, further hand description,
I doubt that it showes a heart fit.

[Hanoi5]

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This is as high as I think you can get. Unless you 'envision' partner's ♠Q and take the plunge to 6.

Or maybe you bid 6♣ over 5♥ and partner 'understands' you have problem with your spades and bids 6♥. But I think it's risky.

[lamford]

MrAce, on 2011-April-03, 23:27, said:

With all due respect, 3♦ being non-forcing or 4♦ showing 5-6 sounds like a sci-fi to me and/or interpretation of the system user rather than system itself. I have not seen in any major system on earth (at least published ones) which tells what this 3 or 4♦ would be explicitly after an overcall and pd response at 2 level a new suit, since (correct me if i am wrong)none of these has anything to do with system after competition and should be solved by pdship agreements with in common bridge logic.

I agree, as does Bob, and he has now made 3D forcing and 4D a splinter.

[lamford]

Hanoi5, on 2011-April-04, 04:26, said:

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Or maybe you bid 6♣ over 5♥ and partner 'understands' you have problem with your spades and bids 6♥. But I think it's risky.

The problem with that is that if partner has a doubleton club and not the queen of spades, both slams would go off. A possible action, playing 4D as a splinter is 4D - 4H - 5H, but that suggests two small spades to me, so partner will not raise.

[FrancesHinden]

I've never heard of any method where 3D here would be non-forcing. I think you must be confusing this auction with another one. Perhaps you should ask Mr Surrey.