[the_dude]

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Playing generic 2/1 with 15-17 NT ... generally after 1D P 2C we rebid Diamonds on any hand that has 5+, otherwise bid a 4 card major (or 2NT). 2H says nothing about a spade stopper.

What is the path to 4H without it sounding like some sort of slam try?

[blackshoe]

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[ArtK78]

I defended 4♥ on this hand in an ACBL matchpoint pair game last night.

Our opps got to 4♥ on this auction:

1♦ - 2♣
2NT - 3♥
4♥ - All Pass

As for the hand, 4♥ is an iffy contract. I held, as West, AKJxx J97x xx xx. We beat 4♥ three tricks on three rounds of spades, declarer ruffing, followed by the losing club finesse. When declarer tried to make the hand by pulling trump, the expected 4-2 break beat the hand three tricks (yes, declarer could have done better, but the hand is always down 1).

If the trump fit were stronger - say, KJ9x opposite AQT, 4♥ would be much better.

[Phil]

I would be in 3N: 1♦ - 2♣ - 2N - 3N.

[mike777]

I would also be in 3nt


1d=2nt(12-13)
3nt

or


1d=2c
2nt=3nt

[aguahombre]

blackshoe, on 2011-August-17, 08:22, said:

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thru 2S, same. But only because 2NT rebid by opener is different hand in our style (not generic), so that part is accidental. After 2S, opener would rebid 2NT ---another accident of our size and shape sequences.

So, South ---oblivious to the fact that we need luck in the spade suit --- would raise to 3NT. This accidentally puts the hand with only 3 spades on lead, which probably won't matter on this hand. Without a spade lead would we play safely for down one?

[the_dude]

ArtK78, on 2011-August-17, 08:44, said:

I defended 4♥ on this hand in an ACBL matchpoint pair game last night.

Our opps got to 4♥ on this auction:

1♦ - 2♣
2NT - 3♥
4♥ - All Pass

As for the hand, 4♥ is an iffy contract. I held, as West, AKJxx J97x xx xx. We beat 4♥ three tricks on three rounds of spades, declarer ruffing, followed by the losing club finesse. When declarer tried to make the hand by pulling trump, the expected 4-2 break beat the hand three tricks (yes, declarer could have done better, but the hand is always down 1).

If the trump fit were stronger - say, KJ9x opposite AQT, 4♥ would be much better.

Yes .. this was from he ACBL tourney last night and I know 4H goes down .. however it is the best game contract to be in on these cards so I'd like to think we should get there...

[Phil]

the_dude, on 2011-August-17, 10:05, said:

I know 4H goes down .. however it is the best game contract to be in on these cards so I'd like to think we should get there...

I think 4♥ is marginal double dummy and inferior single dummy. LHO didn't overcall 1♠, so spades are probably 4-4, or LHO has to find a lead from 3.

Perhaps the best MP contract is 2N.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

the_dude, on 2011-August-17, 07:01, said:

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After 1D P 2C we rebid Diamonds on any hand that has 5+, otherwise bid a 4 card major (or 2NT). 2H says nothing about a spade stopper.

1D - 2C! ( 2/1 GF )
2H( 4h, denies 5+d ) - 3C ( can't bid 2S since it would SHOW 4s; no Sp-stop )
3D ( temporizing; no Sp-stop either ) - 3H ( 3h )
4H ( I guess I'll try the Moysian fit ) - pass

[masse24]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-August-17, 11:33, said:

1D - 2C! ( 2/1 GF )
2H( 4h, denies 5+d ) - 3C ( can't bid 2S since it would SHOW 4s; no Sp-stop )
3D ( temporizing; no Sp-stop either ) - 3H ( 3h )
4H ( I guess I'll try the Moysian fit ) - pass

Yup

Same style for my partnership (ala Lawrence)...same back door to the Moysian.

[whereagles]

Echoing phil. 99% of the time this auction should be the one at table.

[Siegmund]

With my reg p, I would have "succeeded" in staying out of game:
1D-2C(strongly implying no 4CM);
2H(stopper)-3D(natural and nonforcing, willing to give up if 3NT can't be played.)

Neither of us would have known we had a 4-3 heart fit. We both would have been acutely aware we were in an anti-field contract, playing a minor partscore with 25 HCP, and sort of expected a bad MP result just because of how often theoretically unsound 3NTs roll home.

[the hog]

3NT for me also, based on Phil's auction which looks normal to me.