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(1x) P (1y) X

Poll: (1x) P (1y) X (32 member(s) have cast votes)

In North America double is

  1. expert standard is penalty (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. expert standard is takeout (27 votes [84.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 84.38%

  3. I play it both ways with different partners (0 votes [0.00%])

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  4. there is no expert standard (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. I play it penalty & dont know what expert std is (1 votes [3.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  6. I play it takeout & don't know what expert std is (4 votes [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  7. It is only penalty after (1x) P (1S) (0 votes [0.00%])

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#21 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-September-01, 19:27

View PostVampyr, on 2011-September-01, 18:58, said:

I may be going out on a limb here, but I don't think that "sandwhich" is a bridge term made up from a nonsense word. The idea is that you are "between" the two opponents, as in a "sandwich".

Using that interpretation you would be bidding 1N after (1x) and hoping your LHO bids 1y?
(1x) 1n (1y)
Or is the idea that YOU sandwich your 2 opponents bids "between" your 2 suits?
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Posted 2011-September-01, 20:55

Takeout in (almost) all universes, but there is room to discuss what length and strength it shows.

Without discussion I would assume X shows 4-4 in the two unbid suits while 2NT shows 5-5 and a weaker hand.

With discussion, I like to have Sandwich show 4M5m, and have X be a 3-suited takeout of responder's suit, i.e., implying some tolerance in opener's minor and allowing 2nd hand to bid 2 of opener's minor naturally with 2 of responder's major as the strong cuebid. Lots of 2434 type hands.
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Posted 2011-September-01, 20:58

View Postjillybean, on 2011-September-01, 19:27, said:

Using that interpretation you would be bidding 1N after (1x) and hoping your LHO bids 1y?
(1x) 1n (1y)
Or is the idea that YOU sandwich your 2 opponents bids "between" your 2 suits?


I think it is not the bid, but you who are sandwiched between two active opponents.
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Posted 2011-September-01, 20:59

View Postjillybean, on 2011-September-01, 19:27, said:

Using that interpretation you would be bidding 1N after (1x) and hoping your LHO bids 1y?
(1x) 1n (1y)
Or is the idea that YOU sandwich your 2 opponents bids "between" your 2 suits?


You are "sandwiched" between two bidding opponents. At least I think that's what I was told.
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Posted 2011-September-01, 21:03

Certainly takeout.
The second one is more interesting
(1x) X (1y) X
This for me shows scattered values, but denies th ability to bid NT. I do not play this as penalties of y as with 4+ in y I would bid 2y. I find the concept of stolen bids silly.
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Posted 2011-September-01, 23:59

View Postjillybean, on 2011-September-01, 18:19, said:

Maybe some of the problem is the way we are playing sandwhich NT, I haven't yet met a partner
who distinguishes between S1N by a passed hand vs. unpassed hand. I like the idea of 1N by an UPH being natural, X showing a value t/o, sandwhich 1N by PH and 2N as 5+/5+



I think a common way (as far as I have seen) is to play Sandwich is more distributional with less than opening values, and takeout double an opening hand with the proper ability to play in either unbid suit. There is also 2NT available for the huge 5-5 or 6-5 etc.
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Posted 2011-September-02, 07:25

View Postjillybean, on 2011-September-01, 18:19, said:

I like the idea of:

-- 1N by an UPH being natural,
-- X showing a value t/o,
-- sandwich 1N by PH and
-- 2N as 5+/5+


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Posted 2011-September-03, 01:50

View Postjillybean, on 2011-September-01, 19:27, said:

Using that interpretation you would be bidding 1N after (1x) and hoping your LHO bids 1y?
(1x) 1n (1y)
Or is the idea that YOU sandwich your 2 opponents bids "between" your 2 suits?


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Posted 2011-September-03, 11:06

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-September-03, 01:50, said:

1. What has North-America to do with this ?


What can this question possibly mean? The OP wants to know the "expert standard in North America". North America is an integral part of the question.
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Posted 2011-September-03, 19:20

Vampyr, she is making a joke about the Sandwich Islands.
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Posted 2011-September-03, 19:38

View Postthe hog, on 2011-September-03, 19:20, said:

Vampyr, she is making a joke about the Sandwich Islands.

yes, and I finally unblocked to appreciate it. Nice going, Lurp.
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Posted 2011-September-03, 22:32

Sandwhich islands.....I am old but I thought that was Hawaii.


edit: I really should check google first, my memory gets old
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