[libra243]

Hi ,
My name is Dana , bbo id libra243 , I have a request , if you can help.
there is a problem with those 2 softs the one on the site and the one that needs download and I can explain .please excuse my english.
well , as I was saying , there is a problem . the problem is that one can enter on the site with 3 id`s at the same time from one computer : one on the soft from the site , one from the donwloaded version with a diferent id and a 3`rd from the site as a visitator no explicit id . so this posibily gives lots of oportunitys to those that knows about it to cheat . and I am sure there are many that knows about this becouse I know a few .
I thing you can figure those posibilyties on you one .
so my request is : can you make something about that , i mean to put i dont know something in the program to chack if the ip is already conected to bbo . I am sorry that my english is not verry good .
ty very much .
I love bridge , I realy like this site ,and I spend alot of time here , and I do not cheat . I do not accuse anyone of cheating . but if you eliminate this posibility I guse that would be better for everyone that plays onest and enjoyes the hours spend here .

I would like a response pls.

have a nice day on bbo .
with respect Dana.

[aguahombre]

I am sure whoever addresses this issue will work it out so I can continue to watch Vugraph while participating in the forums from the same computer.

Although entering the site via different routes for the two activities, with two separate log-ins, I am currently allowed to do these things under the same I.D.

[Free]

If you want to cheat, you can always cheat. When people go through such troubles to cheat, why won't they find another way to cheat the system? They just need 2 computers, and nobody can stop them anyway... Putting (large) effort into making it impossible to login multiple times on 1 computer is imo a waste of time, because people will just put 2 computers next to each other. And you can't ban multiple logins from 1 network, people from the same home sometimes want to play an honest game online.

There is also nothing to be gained by cheating on BBO. Whenever money is involved, kibitzing is disabled. They can only cheat in the main bridge club, and if you catch someone cheating like this or behaving suspicious (always the same kibitzer and taking absurd lines which are double dummy for example) you can report this to BBO. If BBO is convinced they actually cheat, they'll be punished for this.

[libra243]

anyway why not make it harder to cheat ? you see i do not thing there are many people that will wont to buy an extra computer in order to play on bbo , but now it is way to easy for as long no one checks if there are 2 id`s from the same computer i think one can register in a many contest as a pair with those 2 id`s from one computer only . mabe you are comfortable with that.
i for one do not play for money .

[libra243]

think of another posibility : a TD can play in the tourney and can be his own TD in a diputed situation .do i have to continue with exemples ?

and one more thing : for as long as is alowed why should bbo punish anyone ?

is`n more simple just to corect . i think it is a simple subrutine in thoes 2 programs to check for ip when one id loggs on, not a big thing . am i wrong?

[diana_eva]

It's not a good solution because same IP is not evidence of cheating. Many people share IP on BBO without cheating, and it wouldn't be fair to deny honest couples a chance to play together.

[libra243]

now one sais not to be able to logg on with multiple id`s form one computer , but not at the same time

[libra243]

libra243, on 2011-November-27, 03:15, said:

now one sais not to be able to logg on witm multiple id`s form one computer , but not at the same time, and if they are a couple and they play toghether from the same computer how do they do that they do not see the other one cards?

[BunnyGo]

@libra: I think that there is some communication not being understood. You are suggesting that the ability to log on from a single computer multiple times should not be allowed. I don't disagree.

However, the only identifier (AFAIK) that BBO has is the IP address. As many people above have noted, there are times when we *want* people to sign on multiple times from the same IP address. It is difficult (or impossible) to tell the difference between a single computer logging on twice, and two different computers logging on from the same IP address.

[libra243]

maybe an IT expert could explain if it is that imposibil to say if there are 2 diferent computers at the same ip adress or you logg on from the same computer.or if 2 or more computer can logg on with same ip. or if there is no posibility identify a computer. i am not a computer expert but i think you can, becouse there are to many security problems in IT were you need to identify computers i think at problems connected to softer wrights .

[Antrax]

When my wife and I played online, it looked to BBO as though we're both on from the same IP due to the way our home network is configured. I promise we never peeked at each other's screens

[libra243]

Antrax, on 2011-November-27, 05:05, said:

When my wife and I played online, it looked to BBO as though we're both on from the same IP due to the way our home network is configured. I promise we never peeked at each other's screens

i think you play from 2 computers wright?

[Antrax]

That's true. However, BBO couldn't really tell.

[BunnyGo]

Libra, in general if you have a home router (or wireless set up, etc.) the router looks to the rest of the world like one computer, and they cannot tell how many computers are being used at the home.

[libra243]

what you say is that no one can tell if you are or not cheating , and you can not prouve that you are not guilty . but you can be punished if accused even no one can say for sure you were cheating, and also you can cheat and no one can realy prouve that. wright?
than on what base bbo punshes a user or accuses them of cheating?
how cand a TD tell in a tourney that some one is not onest?
i tell you that this 2 or 3 posibility to log on to bbo online at the same time allows anyone to cheat and no one dislike it .
you say that is ok .

[Antrax]

I'm not sure how BBO operates, but if I had to operate on behalf of BBO I would take incentive and unlikelihood of outcome when trying to decide. Let's say a pair has an abnormally high success rate with opening leads that fit partner's hand, in tournaments. If this pair also share an IP address, then this can become something to act on. It could all be a crazy coincidence, but if it happens more than <some statistical measure> then it might be a risk BBO is willing to take.

[libra243]

what I am saying is if such a pair will apear and will have a strange succes should not be punished in any way becouse playes by the roules i mean each user of that pair is allowed and you can not say if behaind thoes 2 id`s there are 2 peoples or just one or tow computers in diferent rooms , come one ,no one investigates that far , and the soft allowes them to play at the same time so why denie them the succes .

[BunnyGo]

libra243, you are correct. One success (even many successes) is more likely a correct judgement and good bridge than it is cheating. I cannot speak for BBO, but I believe that their policy is to monitor pairs after a string of seemingly impossible plays and bids. I don't think anyone (IRL or online) has ever been punished for one suspected play.

[barmar]

If you think a player is cheating, you shoud report it to abuse@bridgebase.com. One of the things they can check for is multiple logins from the same IP when the alleged cheating took place. It's just an additional piece of evidence that they'll use, it's not conclusive by itself.

However, we don't want to block all multiple logins from the same IP, because most of the people who do it are not, and it wouldn't be fair to them. They're usually just family members who want to play bridge together.