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You've made what is for you an aggressive 2H call, and partner has put you in game. Trick one, LHO leads the K of clubs, and upon seeing an encouraging signal from partner, continues a small club, ruffed in dummy. You play off two rounds of trump, and when RHO follows with the J on the 2nd round, you overtake with the Ace (trump are 2-2). Your line of play from here?
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Posted 2012-January-29, 11:26
You've made what is for you an aggressive 2H call, and partner has put you in game. Trick one, LHO leads the K of clubs, and upon seeing an encouraging signal from partner, continues a small club, ruffed in dummy. You play off two rounds of trump, and when RHO follows with the J on the 2nd round, you overtake with the Ace (trump are 2-2). Your line of play from here?
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Posted 2012-January-29, 12:29
Why was I pulling trumps? I'd just play a spade trick 3.
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Posted 2012-January-29, 13:36
whereagles, on 2012-January-29, 12:29, said:
Why was I pulling trumps? I'd just play a spade trick 3.
Ok, spade to the what? Ace or 9? Or are you leading the Q of spades? Just for the record, this is teams, not match points.
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Posted 2012-January-29, 13:42
It seems likely that East has the ♠K. I'll run a few more rounds of trump just in case something interesting happens, then lead a low spade from hand and stick in the 8 if west plays low. Say East wins the J or T and returns a diamond to dummy's ace. Now we have to choose between spade to the ace (playing East for stiff king remaining) and running the ♠Q (playing West for stiff J/T remaining).
Maybe we can count the possible hands. Assume clubs are 5-5 since West might have competed with KQ-6th of clubs. East is either 2=2=4=5 or 3=2=3=5 and he must hold at least one of the KQ of diamonds. Hearts/clubs are equal in either case and each line works for one specific spade holding so it comes down to counting the possible diamond holdings. Since East must hold at least one diamond honor, I guess we should play him for 4 diamonds. So it looks like spade to the ace is the correct play.
Is this valid? Something about it feels not-quite-right.
Maybe we can count the possible hands. Assume clubs are 5-5 since West might have competed with KQ-6th of clubs. East is either 2=2=4=5 or 3=2=3=5 and he must hold at least one of the KQ of diamonds. Hearts/clubs are equal in either case and each line works for one specific spade holding so it comes down to counting the possible diamond holdings. Since East must hold at least one diamond honor, I guess we should play him for 4 diamonds. So it looks like spade to the ace is the correct play.
Is this valid? Something about it feels not-quite-right.
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Posted 2012-January-29, 14:26
Running a few rounds of trumps is probably bad. We're not likely to get any useful information and it gives West a chance to signal his diamond honor. So instead, draw the two rounds of trump and play a spade immediately to the 8. If East wins the J or T and returns a club I'll just play ace and a spade making either 4 or 5. If East returns a diamond, maybe that gives us more information about the suit.
It's also possible for West to fly J or T on the first round of spades. I don't know many sectional opps who would do that with Jx or Tx. If he thinks before playing it, I'd play him for JTx. If it's in-tempo... I'll have to think about it.
It's also possible for West to fly J or T on the first round of spades. I don't know many sectional opps who would do that with Jx or Tx. If he thinks before playing it, I'd play him for JTx. If it's in-tempo... I'll have to think about it.
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Posted 2012-January-29, 14:31
What does LHO lead from AK?
When you say RHO leads the king of clubs, I assume you mean LHO?
When you say RHO leads the king of clubs, I assume you mean LHO?
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Posted 2012-January-29, 15:10
CSGibson, on 2012-January-29, 13:36, said:
Ok, spade to the what? Ace or 9? Or are you leading the Q of spades? Just for the record, this is teams, not match points.
Small to the ace and duck a spade the way back.
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Posted 2012-January-29, 15:55
FOr one thing, doesnt basically everyone play this signal as SP with a singleton visible in dummy?
Secondly, if I find out how many hearts he has I will know how many spades he has.
The most obvious way to make is to find Jx or Tx with west. I think I would play this line at the table, but if I think about it a bit more deeply, there are layouts where I can squeeze east. If he is (32)44 for example. Suppose I played 5 roudns of trumps? if he pitches two clubs and a diamond it is curtains, I duck a diamond, west wins and plays a spade is best but its all over unless east holds KJT, if east has to win it he will continue with a diamond but if its a top one I can just let it ride, else I can ruff it and play a low spade up.
West can also come under a bit of pressure potentially, he would be 2236, if he discards a diamond or a spade its all over, so he must pitch three clubs, a sixth heart will make the pressure unbearable.
In practice the lack of lebensohl suggests strongly that hte clubs are 5-5. If that is the case west is most like 2245, and we should just play spades ourselves. Obviously a spade to the 8 is best, then later draw trumps find out how many hearts he has and pin either the K or J/T assuming rho to have one doubleton in a major.
Secondly, if I find out how many hearts he has I will know how many spades he has.
The most obvious way to make is to find Jx or Tx with west. I think I would play this line at the table, but if I think about it a bit more deeply, there are layouts where I can squeeze east. If he is (32)44 for example. Suppose I played 5 roudns of trumps? if he pitches two clubs and a diamond it is curtains, I duck a diamond, west wins and plays a spade is best but its all over unless east holds KJT, if east has to win it he will continue with a diamond but if its a top one I can just let it ride, else I can ruff it and play a low spade up.
West can also come under a bit of pressure potentially, he would be 2236, if he discards a diamond or a spade its all over, so he must pitch three clubs, a sixth heart will make the pressure unbearable.
In practice the lack of lebensohl suggests strongly that hte clubs are 5-5. If that is the case west is most like 2245, and we should just play spades ourselves. Obviously a spade to the 8 is best, then later draw trumps find out how many hearts he has and pin either the K or J/T assuming rho to have one doubleton in a major.
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Posted 2012-January-29, 21:13
FrancesHinden, on 2012-January-29, 14:31, said:
What does LHO lead from AK?
When you say RHO leads the king of clubs, I assume you mean LHO?
When you say RHO leads the king of clubs, I assume you mean LHO?
They lead K from AK or KQ, but because he led small on the 2nd round, I think (with this opponent), that its right to assume that he has the KQ(J)
And yes, ty for finding my typo, I'll fix it.
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