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Posted 2012-February-14, 18:18

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(pass)-pass-( 3 ♦ )-double
( 4 ♦ )-pass-(pass)-???
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Posted 2012-February-14, 18:21

double
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Posted 2012-February-14, 20:05

I would X once again.
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Posted 2012-February-14, 21:56

X
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Posted 2012-February-14, 22:11

add me to the X'ers
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Posted 2012-February-14, 22:47

I think 4H stands out, having already doubled we are showing a flexible hand. We will often have 5 hearts or 6 not great hearts for doubling and bidding hearts. Partner will not pass with 5 spades and 2 hearts. Yes, it is possible we need to defend 4D X but I think it is unlikely compared to something like partner having 4 spades and 3 hearts and bidding 4S and it being bad.
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Posted 2012-February-14, 23:01

View PostJLOGIC, on 2012-February-14, 22:47, said:

We will often have 5 hearts or 6 not great hearts for doubling and bidding hearts.

Here we have 5 quite poor ♥.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 00:57

Double again. Partner can't know your double was this good or that you have a void necessarily. Still flexible, and spades can play fine if partner has anything better than 4 weakies.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 02:34

Wow Justin in a minority of one. Times have changed in the forum.

But I had bid 4 ♥ too, this does not show a very strong hand with a onesuiter in hearts, but a very strong three suited hand with 5 hearts- "exactly" what I have. I had prefered a 4504 with even better hearts too. But you cannot have it all.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 05:57

4H. Don't have much else to add that this shows a good flexible hand with 5H and the best we can achieve to find the right game.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 08:20

4H, I like to give my partner the freedom to frequently pass 3/4 level takeout double, the cost is not being able to X when ive got a void.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 08:23

4♥ - if I double with 3 hearts and 4 spades partner will be in 4♠.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 09:47

View PostJLOGIC, on 2012-February-14, 22:47, said:

I think 4H stands out, having already doubled we are showing a flexible hand. We will often have 5 hearts or 6 not great hearts for doubling and bidding hearts. Partner will not pass with 5 spades and 2 hearts. Yes, it is possible we need to defend 4D X but I think it is unlikely compared to something like partner having 4 spades and 3 hearts and bidding 4S and it being bad.


wouldn't we bid the same way with a rock crushing hand with self sufficient hearts though. Is partner really gonna pull to his own suit in this auction with 52 in the majors?

Given our lousy hearts and the tap certainly coming in our hand do we even wanna be in most 5-3 fits where partner holds bad hearts?

I'm just not so sure I even wanna play 4H as this has developed, and it seems like partner is leaving this double in a lot of the time.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 16:43

partner is 4-3 in the majors, 4♥ will make +620

sadly partner has ♦KJx onside!, wich means 7 tricks are cashing against 4♦ X.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 16:54

View PostFluffy, on 2012-February-15, 16:43, said:

partner is 4-3 in the majors, 4♥ will make +620

sadly partner has ♦KJx onside!, wich means 7 tricks are cashing against 4♦ X.

But does partner let the double stand, or bid 4♠? If the latter, how does the Moysian go?
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Posted 2012-February-15, 16:54

rduran, with a 1 suiter in hearts over 3D you must overcall some number of hearts (like 4H). Double then 4H is not stronger than a 4H overcall, it just shows a different hand type, one that is more flexible.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 17:03

View PostStatto, on 2012-February-15, 16:54, said:

But does partner let the double stand, or bid 4♠? If the latter, how does the Moysian go?


partner has J9xx J10x KJx xxx I am pretty sure he would pass the double, 4♠ might make since ♠Q10 are bare on RHO's hands.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 17:44

ofc he would pass the double
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