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ACBL 18 board robot tournaments Lack of participation

#1 User is offline   Leo LaSota 

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Posted 2012-May-19, 20:37

Hi all,

I was just wondering why more people do not play in the 18 board ACBL robot tournaments. The 18 board tournaments are worth 100% of ACBL masterpoints, while the 12 board tournaments are only worth 60%.
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Posted 2012-May-19, 21:23

Does anyone really play those tournaments specifically for the purpose of winning ACBL masterpoints?
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Posted 2012-May-20, 06:10

Hi all,

In response to bbradley62, yes I play for masterpoints. My goal is to win at least 30 masterpoints a month between GIB and live bridge. Therefore, in just under 4 years, I will become a Grand Life Master.

I tend to do better in the 18 board games because if I do poorly on a hand or two, it is less costly. I admit playing either the 12 or 18 board games has improved my declarer play immensely. I wish that more people would play the 18 board games.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 11:06

 Joeydinky, on 2012-May-20, 06:10, said:

Hi all,

In response to bbradley62, yes I play for masterpoints. My goal is to win at least 30 masterpoints a month between GIB and live bridge. Therefore, in just under 40 years, I will become a Grand Life Master.


FYP

(assuming you nab a NABC along the way).
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Posted 2012-May-20, 11:08

 Joeydinky, on 2012-May-20, 06:10, said:

In response to bbradley62, yes I play for masterpoints. My goal is to win at least 30 masterpoints a month between GIB and live bridge. Therefore, in just under 4 years, I will become a Grand Life Master.


You might want to recalibrate your goal a little ... 30 masterpoints a month x 4 years = 1440 masterpoints. Grand Life Master = 10000 masterpoints, Plus the rather trickier hurdle of the NABC+ win.

Unless you already have 8500 pts and an NABC win, in which case congrats, and what is your real name?
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Posted 2012-May-20, 11:41

 Bbradley62, on 2012-May-19, 21:23, said:

Does anyone really play those tournaments specifically for the purpose of winning ACBL masterpoints?

Yes, many people do.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 11:52

 Joeydinky, on 2012-May-20, 06:10, said:

Hi all,

In response to bbradley62, yes I play for masterpoints. My goal is to win at least 30 masterpoints a month between GIB and live bridge. Therefore, in just under 4 years, I will become a Grand Life Master.

I tend to do better in the 18 board games because if I do poorly on a hand or two, it is less costly. I admit playing either the 12 or 18 board games has improved my declarer play immensely. I wish that more people would play the 18 board games.

Then, perhaps you can answer your friend Leo's question, since it appears that you have played 70 12-board tournaments and 6 18-board tournaments in the past 30 days.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 11:59

 Phil, on 2012-May-20, 11:06, said:

FYP

(assuming you nab a NABC along the way).



 Stephen Tu, on 2012-May-20, 11:08, said:

You might want to recalibrate your goal a little ... 30 masterpoints a month x 4 years = 1440 masterpoints. Grand Life Master = 10000 masterpoints, Plus the rather trickier hurdle of the NABC+ win.

Unless you already have 8500 pts and an NABC win, in which case congrats, and what is your real name?

JoeyDinky has an NABC win.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 13:34

 Stephen Tu, on 2012-May-20, 11:08, said:

You might want to recalibrate your goal a little ... 30 masterpoints a month x 4 years = 1440 masterpoints. Grand Life Master = 10000 masterpoints, Plus the rather trickier hurdle of the NABC+ win.

Unless you already have 8500 pts and an NABC win, in which case congrats, and what is your real name?


For your information, I have just under 8,700 points as of May 1st and have an NABC+ title.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 13:36

 Bbradley62, on 2012-May-20, 11:52, said:

Then, perhaps you can answer your friend Leo's question, since it appears that you have played 70 12-board tournaments and 6 18-board tournaments in the past 30 days.


I would love to play more 18 board matches, but I don't usually play in one unless 10 or more people are registered.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 15:19

Joey, I'm curious. Why do you want to attain your GLM by playing (with bots?) online when you are obviously capable of reaching this milestone playing in top seeded events?
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Posted 2012-May-20, 18:32

I just got back from the regional in oregon
and playing with the bots def improves your declarer play
defending thats another story.....the bots always have their bids people dont :unsure:
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Posted 2012-May-20, 18:59

 Bbradley62, on 2012-May-20, 11:52, said:

Then, perhaps you can answer your friend Leo's question, since it appears that you have played 70 12-board tournaments and 6 18-board tournaments in the past 30 days.


Hi, I would gladly play only 18 board games if enough people played in them, preferably 15+ but at least 10 to make up for the additional cost of the game. I play most of my bridge in the morning before my day starts. I always check out the 18 board games at 9 a.m. and 10 a.m. and usually there are zero registered. Therefore, I play in the 12 board games instead. I play live bridge most Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays in my local area clubs and find that playing Gib games in the morning gets my brain in gear.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 19:21

 jillybean, on 2012-May-20, 15:19, said:

Joey, I'm curious. Why do you want to attain your GLM by playing (with bots?) online when you are obviously capable of reaching this milestone playing in top seeded events?


Hi Jillybean,
I enjoyed very much playing for about 9 years in many regionals and nationals but now find them too costly to attend. I do go to some close regionals for a few days but usually not the whole week. My stamina is not what it used to be. I used to be able to play 18 sessions a week reasonably well. As for Gib, I love the convenience of playing anytime I want without having to get dressed and drive to a game. Sometimes I eat my breakfast in my jammies while playing with Gib. I also moved to a small town where the games are not very large and there are not many pts. to be won. So I suppliment my live points with Gib points.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 21:14

 Joeydinky, on 2012-May-20, 19:21, said:

Hi Jillybean,
I enjoyed very much playing for about 9 years in many regionals and nationals but now find them too costly to attend. I do go to some close regionals for a few days but usually not the whole week. My stamina is not what it used to be. I used to be able to play 18 sessions a week reasonably well. As for Gib, I love the convenience of playing anytime I want without having to get dressed and drive to a game. Sometimes I eat my breakfast in my jammies while playing with Gib. I also moved to a small town where the games are not very large and there are not many pts. to be won. So I suppliment my live points with Gib points.

Good reason and good luck getting your GLM :) I wonder how far away BBO voice AND video tables are and how many of us will be sitting around in our PJ's, playing cards and eating breakfast. LOL
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Posted 2012-May-21, 10:19

 Joeydinky, on 2012-May-20, 19:21, said:

Hi Jillybean,
I enjoyed very much playing for about 9 years in many regionals and nationals but now find them too costly to attend. I do go to some close regionals for a few days but usually not the whole week. My stamina is not what it used to be. I used to be able to play 18 sessions a week reasonably well. As for Gib, I love the convenience of playing anytime I want without having to get dressed and drive to a game. Sometimes I eat my breakfast in my jammies while playing with Gib. I also moved to a small town where the games are not very large and there are not many pts. to be won. So I suppliment my live points with Gib points.

At Medford, Oregon regional
2 session open pairs flt A paid 9 Gold Points for first overall
hardly worth all the money it takes to go play, def expensive!!!
so take that $20 spend online good chance you might win just as many points.

the days are gone of winning pairs events and them paying over 40+ points, that went away with bracketed KO's

so on a money per point rate online is def wiser.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 15:14

You must still attend live games to get the colored points, online only awards black points - correct?
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Posted 2012-May-21, 15:46

Online pts are "colorless", club games are "black".

The colored point requirement for GrLM aren't particularly difficult to achieve, I'd make them easily by the time I get to 2500 pts, let alone 10000, so JoeyDinky only needs total points. It's the NABC title that's the tough nut to crack. They ought to make it a bit harder IMO, require like 500 plat or maybe even 1000 plat for GrLM.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 18:16

It appears to me that the only colored point requirement that is likely to be relevant is the gold point requirement for LM.
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Posted 2012-May-22, 08:55

 Stephen Tu, on 2012-May-21, 15:46, said:

Online pts are "colorless", club games are "black".

The colored point requirement for GrLM aren't particularly difficult to achieve, I'd make them easily by the time I get to 2500 pts, let alone 10000, so JoeyDinky only needs total points. It's the NABC title that's the tough nut to crack. They ought to make it a bit harder IMO, require like 500 plat or maybe even 1000 plat for GrLM.


Hi,
Perhaps there should be an additional catagory like Super GrLM for those with the additional Platinum points and more than one NABC title. After 10,000 pts. and GrLM there is not much for the non-pro player to do other than accumulate master points which for us is a guide to distinguish the terrific players. There are many platinum life masters who have accumulated points simply because they have played for years. They are fine players but really aren't that good. Good luck in your future achieving your goals.
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