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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2012-October-24, 17:01


Double would be card-showing.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-October-24, 17:12

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Posted 2012-October-24, 18:16

6
Trusting partner to have sound overcall with few or no values in . 2As, K and QJ are not too much to ask for. 5 seems safe, but partner doesn't know I have a 5 loser with good trumps.
AK7 looks like 4-card support. Hoping it plays that way.
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Posted 2012-October-24, 18:42

if partner has no diamond honnor I can't construct deals without AA and Q than overcall, so 6 is the minimum bet for me. And the limit, partner will know what to do with 4 keycards.
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Posted 2012-October-24, 22:26

6H, not nearly as confident as fluffy but I think it will be good too often to offset being off 2 aces. There is some small chance they save incorrectly also but it's not that great w/w obv.
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Posted 2012-October-24, 23:36

Very close imo but 6H will probably make a bit more often than not. Forcing pass would be useful for once :)

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I can't construct deals without ♠A♣A and ♥Q than overcall


AJxx QJxxxx x Kx
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Posted 2012-October-25, 00:35

This seems to be the perfect hand for 6.

It is hard to construct hands for partner that make it a bad slam. (bluecalm did his very best and just managed, congrats ;) )

It is also unlikely that we have a grand. Partner seems to have a singleton diamond. Odds are that it is not the ace.

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Posted 2012-November-01, 12:47

preempts work so keep using them. Here we have a guess on how to proceed with a
very nice hand. First things first there is no decent mechanism available for finding 7 so
our only real problem is how high do we go. I agree with fluffy that it is difficult to imagine
a 3h bid that wont give us decent play for

6h

so that is what I am bidding. P will not know what to do missing the AK trumps even if they
have all of the controls and extra values (though they might get excited if they have a dia void
and we didnt bid 6d).
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Posted 2012-November-01, 12:51

I didn't bid slam. Partner's hand was J4 QJ1084 J AJ1098, so staying out of slam was a good move.

Having decided not to bid slam, I chose to double instead, thinking that we'd get 300 or 500 with 5 not necessarily cold. Also, if partner did remove it I could bid slam with more confidence. RHO had K, so superficially it was also a good move not to bid 5.

In fact, though, the opposing hands were A xxx Kxxxx Kxxx and 10xxxx xx AQ10xxx -. The correct action was to save in 5.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-November-01, 13:06

Yes to bid 5 asd a save seems obvious. :)

I would be two down in 6 Hearts like many others too. As much as I like the brave bid from partner- he has no other bid- I guess it is bad luck to find him with such a bad hand for us. He surely had bid the same way with Ax in spades instead of Jx....
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Posted 2012-November-01, 14:08

View Postgnasher, on 2012-November-01, 12:51, said:

The correct action was to save in 5.
Only FINCH could had guessed that


partner's action was clear, who could think pass is an option when RHO preempts and we wouldn't even have opened the bidding?
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Posted 2012-November-01, 14:27

View PostFluffy, on 2012-November-01, 14:08, said:

partner's action was clear, who could think pass is an option when RHO preempts and we wouldn't even have opened the bidding?

I'd certainly have opened partner's hand, but not sure whether I'd have found 3 (unless I'd hesitated long enough to embarrass partner before realising I was passing).
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Posted 2012-November-03, 07:07

View Postgnasher, on 2012-November-01, 12:51, said:

I didn't bid slam. Partner's hand was J4 QJ1084 J AJ1098, so staying out of slam was a good move.



Today BBO often posts hand histories from matches of the experts. Staying out of slam is right much more than 50% of the time. Whatever the range for partner's bid. Partner seems to usually be at the bottom. Sometimes he has less than the bottom. On my own unscientific(small sample size) study, when one team bids slam and the other didn't, the team not in slam won more imps.
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Posted 2012-November-03, 12:21

5H.
But my double would be card-showing: 2+ diamond losers.
So my partner knows I have 0-1 diamond with some stuff.
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Posted 2012-November-04, 05:06

6H - it may not make
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Posted 2012-November-08, 03:33

I choose 5 since it is very cold contract,trusting partner.
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