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Deal #12 AKQ8 KQ K974 K85

#21 User is offline   Kungsgeten 

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Posted 2013-January-24, 09:17

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-January-24, 09:00, said:

What is 3 Kungsgeten? It seems impossible that this would be an invite with the given hand. Can North splinter over 2 or would that show the 17+ hand?


3S would be a natural and invitational, but you're right, north would probably bid 4S right away. 4C would have been a splinter bid, not implying the strong hand. 2NT would have been a GF relay.
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#22 User is offline   Zelandakh 

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Posted 2013-January-24, 09:25

If a 4 splinter can be made with the 0-7 hand type then it seems to me to be clearly indicated on the North hand. That would allow you to find rare low-HCP slams that noone else would get close to. If you do not do it with this hand then you may as well specify it as a void splinter instead.
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Posted 2013-January-26, 16:36

1X E

1-1(1) : 16+ unbal OR 18+ bal; 0-7 or occ 8+ with <2 ctls
X-All pass : take-out; converted
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Posted 2013-January-29, 06:10

11(it seems to like giving a positive when it is close)
3nt

3nt won the split on the mp score. 1nt is beta 2nt is 16+ forcing balanced and 3nt is 16+ may have a singleton.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 09:55

12
4

2=semi positive 5+ hearts 4 spades.
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Posted 2013-February-11, 17:10

OCP

1 - 1 (1)
2N - 3N
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Posted 2013-February-18, 17:15

I'm not pro enough to end up defending 1x ;)

Molybdenum Forcing Pass System:
S ---- N
P --- 1 (1) (opening hand, 0-bad 12)
dbl --- 2 (4+ and pretty much anything else, 6-9 points and 4 spades :blink: )
4 --- P (signoff)


View PostFM75, on 2013-February-11, 17:10, said:

OCP

1 - 1 (1)
2N - 3N

How do you find spades with that system?
What do those bids mean?
Become yourself.
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Posted 2013-February-25, 14:05

Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:
2-2 weak OR weak majors OR GF majors OR 20-23 bal / pass-or-correct
2N-2 20-23 bal / transfer
3-3 denies 4-card support / also 4
4-4 5 or 7 CPs, agreeing / interest in slam opposite 7
5-5 second-round control / signoff as there is duplication
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Posted 2013-February-26, 03:59

View PostCamHenry, on 2013-February-25, 14:05, said:

Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:
4-4 5 or 7 CPs, agreeing / interest in slam opposite 7
5-5 second-round control / signoff as there is duplication

South has 6 CPs (1 ace and 4 kings). What would South bid over 4 with first round club control instead of second?
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Posted 2013-February-26, 06:23

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-February-26, 03:59, said:

South has 6 CPs (1 ace and 4 kings). What would South bid over 4 with first round club control instead of second?


(i) we count the trump Q as a control
(ii) after establishing that we may have enough CPs for slam (11 for small, 13 for grand), we bid 2nd-round controls up the line. If duplication is found, we sign off. Obviously with 6 facing 6, for example, we can ignore the first point of duplication (K facing singleton).
(iii) I miscounted N's controls; on the actual hand he's only got 3 CPs (DA, C singleton) and would therefore sign off in 4

Let's modify the hands a little to

T943
JT965
AK3
9

AKQ8
KQ
Q974
A85

Here S still has 7 CPs (2 aces at 2 each, 2 kings at 1 each, trump Q at 1) and N now has 4 (A, K, singleton). The auction, from S making a slam try in S, would be:
4-4 5 or 7 CPs, agreeing /interest in slam opposite 7
5-6 Second-round control, no 2nd-round control in either minor, 7 CPs/7 facing 4, no duplication, => 11 working CPs, a fit, and hopefully enough for slam.

I hope this illustration is a little clearer!
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Posted 2013-February-26, 06:38

View PostCamHenry, on 2013-February-26, 06:23, said:

I hope this illustration is a little clearer!

Excellent description! Yes, that is much clearer. The point I am still slightly unsure of is when you say that North has 3 CPs consisting of A and x. First of all, that you count a singleton as 1CP and secondly if that means the K is not worth anything. Finally, there is a the question as to how you find duplication opposite a void. This is certainly an interesting method though - not one I have come across before.
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Posted 2013-February-26, 07:51

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-February-26, 06:38, said:

Excellent description! Yes, that is much clearer. The point I am still slightly unsure of is when you say that North has 3 CPs consisting of A and x. First of all, that you count a singleton as 1CP and secondly if that means the K is not worth anything. Finally, there is a the question as to how you find duplication opposite a void. This is certainly an interesting method though - not one I have come across before.


First off, in the original hand N has 3CPs as he doesn't have the K. We count singletons as 1 CP.

As for voids: we also count those as singletons if responding to the slam try. We try not to make a slam try of this type when holding a void: there are many different enquiries we can make (e.g. Exclusion, etc.; on some sequences we have cue-bidding available).

Full system notes are available at http://www.matthew.a...systemnotes.pdf - the section on this slam method is at p.34 (General Swiss). We picked it up from another player at the Cambridge Bridge Club (I think we tweaked it a bit, but I can't remember).
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Posted 2013-February-26, 08:41

Thanks for this link. The write-up is very clear and the approach is interesting. It is (kind of) a little like Turbo but with CPs instead of key cards. Hopefully it will come up on a few of the upcoming hands so we can see it in action. For the strong 2-suited openings, you could take a look at Ben (inquiry)'s MisIry method if you wanted to add some extra detail/complexity to the follow-ups.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 19:12

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

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X for TO - 1 (hearts are not good enough for penalty pass) -
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