[jillybean]

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[lycier]

I will bid 5♠ as exclusion RKCB!

[ahydra]

Does 3NT show extras at all? If not, I'll just bid 5C. If it does, 4C here looks obvious. It shows a slam invite since you went via 4SF.

ahydra

[aguahombre]

4♣...my pard is showing 3-1-5-4 and about 16-17 points. We are launched to 6 or 7 clubs. I kinda hope partner does not cue Spades over 4C; and no, 4D by opener should not be KB by opener over 4C ---at least My opener knows this is not a case where she should take over.

[ggwhiz]

lycier, on 2013-February-18, 09:43, said:

I will bid 5♠ as exclusion RKCB!

Too much spade waste (3nt) in pards hand to think grand and 6♣ should be no worse than a ruffing finesse.

I could bid 4♣ and plutz into it to see if they can help us out in the play by doubling something but generally prefer to blast it and give my right hand porkchop an opening lead headache.

[Cyberyeti]

ggwhiz, on 2013-February-18, 09:52, said:

Too much spade waste (3nt) in pards hand to think grand and 6♣ should be no worse than a ruffing finesse.

I could bid 4♣ and plutz into it to see if they can help us out in the play by doubling something but generally prefer to blast it and give my right hand porkchop an opening lead headache.

Not at all.

There must be a decent possibility of KJx, void, KQxxx, Axxxx or similar. May depend on your flavour of 4SF as to whether it's GF and whether 3N shows extras. I'd have bid 4♠ exclusion or 3♠ splinter over 2♣ depending on my methods.

[jillybean]

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This was a casual partnership so no detailed agreements, we had agreed to use same suit keycard for minor suit auctions
and exclusion kc. I have never used exclusion in a minor slam auction and don't know if I would have recognized 4♠ as
exclusion, it's a good lesson!

[CSGibson]

4♣. I am going to force to 6♣, it has to have play opposite most hands, but I'd like to get a cue-bidding sequence going to see if I can find 7. Although I might have already screwed up the auction by not splintering, this should be, in my opinion, more of a balanced hand, or a hand with shortage in diamonds.

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on 2013-February-18, 19:54, said:

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This was a casual partnership so no detailed agreements, we had agreed to use same suit keycard for minor suit auctions
and exclusion kc. I have never used exclusion in a minor slam auction and don't know if I would have recognized 4♠ as
exclusion, it's a good lesson!

Another lesson is not to bounce around in a 4SF auction, unless you have something special to show. No reason at all for opener to bid anything but 2NT, and let partner show the nature of the 4SF ---the 3NT leap should look something no less than KQX X KQXXX AQXX. Fast arrival jumps in NT are not a good idea; especially when you don't know what partner's intent is yet, and it just gets in his way.

[TimG]

I think 3♠ over 2♣, followed by pulling 3N to 4♣ is a better course of action. If 4♣ would have been keycard in this sequence, then maybe 4♠ over 3N.

[Fluffy]

If it is IMPs, you should have splintered the round before, there is no gain for playing in hearts rather than clubs. Doing it with 3♠ or 4♠ (exclusion) is a reasonable decision.

If it is MPs 4SF is mandatory, you cannot avoid 6♥ if it is there, if partner supports with ♥Kx he is wellcome.


Partner failed to understand that even if you play 4SF not GF (you should have agreements on this), a 4SF reverse (one that forces partner to support your first suit at the 3 level), is Game forcing on all natural systems. And hence he had no need to jump around.


After 3NT your only bid is 4♣ regarless of what it means.

[Fluffy]

nonsense

[jillybean]

It was MP, 4th suit was game forcing for us.
Now for the embarrassing part; thinking we likely had fit in both minors, partners spade honor protected
and needing a good board in this field, I bid 6N over 3N.
Top board but obviously a terrible auction.

I agree 3N in the auction is sabotage, this wasn't my regular partner but rather a partner who thinks they
need to take control over my inexperience.

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on 2013-February-19, 09:22, said:

Partner failed to understand that even if you play 4SF not GF (you should have agreements on this), a 4SF [size=2]reverse (one that forces partner to support your first suit at the 3 level), is Game forcing on all natural systems. And hence he had no need to jump around.

Agree that this 4SF is G.F. by necessity. You use "jump around", which is more polite than my "bounce around".

I think we both agree that when we are trying to probe via partnership auction in a game forcing sequence, a leap to 3NT which does not show extras with a very specific shape is sabotage.

[mycroft]

I don't mind fast arrival auctions in this case; but I want them to be bad hands, not just minimums. This hand is a minimum, sure, but it's all controls (save the ♠Q). I'm way too likely to put partner in just this situation if I fast-arrival this hand.

I would have bid 4♣ - whether partner gets it as keycard or not, don't care; partner will get it as slam try for clubs, and having shown the minimum, should just bid it with the great controls. Yes, 2NT-3♣ would make for a better auction...