[the hog]

If you don't know the meaning of 3H, you cannot expect a sensible response here.

[nige1]

the hog, on 2013-May-21, 18:14, said:

If you don't know the meaning of 3H, you cannot expect a sensible response here.

IMO a 3♥ jump should imply a ♦ fit -- usually a splinter -- although it's hard to believe that's what partner means here.

[biggerclub]

silvr bull, on 2013-May-17, 08:12, said:

You are playing with a good partner at Imps on BBO, and you pick up the hand below as dealer, Vulnerable against non vul opponents:

♠K
♥K
♦K987653
♣K875

6 losers, 12 HCP, two extremely available rebids, 4 controls. If partner is 6-5 (worst of all possible worlds) in the majors you still have a reasonable fit.

This is a Roth-Stone (super sound) opener.

[biggerclub]

Codo, on 2013-May-21, 07:50, said:

Partner shows 5-5 and depending on the system game forcing or invitational. I guess GF is used more often, but....
Passing 3 ♥ will always be wrong, so I try 3 NT. Maybe I buy 8 running tricks with the help of my kings and a ninth from the club stopper....

I am not bidding NT with this hand. Ever. Choice is between 3s, 4d and 4c. I am still not shutting out 6-5 (either way) or even 6-6 in the majors and for that reason, I like 3s which cannot be passed. Partner should not assume any better than xx in spades here and K stiff is almost as good. How about QJT8x(x), Axxxx, x, A(x). This is really extremely minimum but 4s still has a reasonable shot. With only 5s, p should really have essentially a solid suit somewhere or significantly more values. The only real disaster is xx(x) in clubs with only 5-5 in the majors, but that hand is likely to feature AQxxx, AQxxx, making both K's superb. 3s also has the virtue of being very minimal so partner will know she has to carry the team to slam if she has that sort of hand. 3s>>4c>4d>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3NT.

If P tries 3n over 3s I am reading that as 5-5 and taking it out to 4c. P now has a complete picture of my hand -- except that the 7th d could be two small in a major. So P is the captain and whatever he bids next is the contract. Including 4N . . . although I am re-evaluating whether "P is a good BB player" if that happens. Note that the stiff K's are by no means a liability even in this misfit condition.

btw -- I play 3c (by responder) as unconditionally forcing to game in this sequence and saying nothing about clubs -- so if I were to bid 3H I think you could count on 6-5 or even better dist. Again, the stiff K's are just fine in that case.

[biggerclub]

ArtK78, on 2013-May-21, 08:06, said:

I would guess that the chances of making 3NT on this auction is extremely small. You might have a chance if partner has Ax of diamonds.

More likely, he may be able to scramble home with 9 tricks in spades. I will take my "preference" to spades.

By the way, I assume that 3♥ is invitational. I would bid 3♣ (extended PLOB) with a forcing hand on this auction. If 3♥ is forcing, then 3NT has a better chance of making, and you may be endplayed into bidding it.

I don't see 3h as invitational. This is IMPs. Even without discussion 2NT should be capable of being inferred as a general invite with any shape asking for more information here. If partner has too much shape and cannot stand that, 2hs should be fine as opener should be capable of seeing that this cannot be dead minimum (pass was available) and cannot be some kind of MP improve the contract bid (because we are at IMPs). Opener has made a very weak 2d bid and responder should trust that opener will realize that, evaluate her hand against the prior box set out by her bidding and carry on over 2h with anything even a little above minimum. BTW -- if responder did bid 2H here, I would find 2s a very tempting alternative to 3 of a minor -- and if I did choose 2s I would have to come fully to life over any further bidding by responder.

Therefore, all in all 3h is almost certainly forcing . . . and even if it isn't, an accept is in order because the K, K holding does just fine opposite a 6-5 or 6-6 distribution.

As I reasoned in my immediately prior post, I don't see that 3s can be passed -- yet another reason that 3h cannot be invitational.

[biggerclub]

Lord Molyb, on 2013-May-19, 20:41, said:

IMO 1♦ = 10, 3♦ = 6, Pass = 1.
Don't like pre-empting with 12 points, p will pass with a lot of balanced 13 counts where we have game.

Partner probably won't pass with Axxx, Qxx, Axxx, Ax, but I wouldn't bet on us finding our slam after a 3d start either.

[Codo]

biggerclub, on 2013-May-25, 04:05, said:

I am not bidding NT with this hand. Ever. Choice is between 3s, 4d and 4c. I am still not shutting out 6-5 (either way) or even 6-6 in the majors and for that reason, I like 3s which cannot be passed. Partner should not assume any better than xx in spades here and K stiff is almost as good. How about QJT8x(x), Axxxx, x, A(x). This is really extremely minimum but 4s still has a reasonable shot. With only 5s, p should really have essentially a solid suit somewhere or significantly more values. The only real disaster is xx(x) in clubs with only 5-5 in the majors, but that hand is likely to feature AQxxx, AQxxx, making both K's superb. 3s also has the virtue of being very minimal so partner will know she has to carry the team to slam if she has that sort of hand. 3s>>4c>4d>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3NT.

If P tries 3n over 3s I am reading that as 5-5 and taking it out to 4c. P now has a complete picture of my hand -- except that the 7th d could be two small in a major. So P is the captain and whatever he bids next is the contract. Including 4N . . . although I am re-evaluating whether "P is a good BB player" if that happens. Note that the stiff K's are by no means a liability even in this misfit condition.

btw -- I play 3c (by responder) as unconditionally forcing to game in this sequence and saying nothing about clubs -- so if I were to bid 3H I think you could count on 6-5 or even better dist. Again, the stiff K's are just fine in that case.

IF I bid 3 NT, partner is allowed to bid on with 6-6 or 65 in the majors. He surely will.
If you have no discussion what 3 ♥ shows, (as the OP wrote)- how can you expect 6/5 or even any kind of features. I expect 5/5 and with extra length, he will pull 3 NT.
That 3 ♥ shows 6/5 is a quite non standard agreement anyway and I see no reason why someone should use it.