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3 sequences after DBL

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2013-May-23, 09:38

(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-2NT

(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-DBL-(P)-2S
(P)-2NT

(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-DBL-(P)-2S
(P)-3S

What hands are shown by DBLer in the above 3 sequences?
Should the 2nd have -support?
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Posted 2013-May-23, 09:45

1) appr 20-21 points, diamond stop, probably only two spades and three hearts

2) appr 22-23 points, diamond stop, probably four hearts and two spades

3) appr 20-21 points, three spades, at most one diamond stop
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Posted 2013-May-23, 10:04

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-??
edit: partner bid 1S, not opp
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Posted 2013-May-23, 11:28

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 09:38, said:

  • (1D)-DBL-(P)-1S; (2D)-2NT
  • (1D)-DBL-(P)-1S; (2D)-DBL-(P)-2S; (P)-2NT
  • (1D)-DBL-(P)-1S; (2D)-DBL-(P)-2S; (P)-3S
What hands are shown by DBLer in the above 3 sequences?
Should the 2nd have -support?
IMO
  • Natural, 18+ HCP, flat, stop, unlikely to hold 4.
  • Natural, 18+ HCP, flat, stop, may have 4
  • Natural, 18+ HCP, 3 .

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Posted 2013-May-23, 11:44

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(1S)-P
(2D)-??


I would pass.

I think a second double starts at about a 3424 good 18. Although we have 19, this hand is junky. If partner can't bid again, that's fine. The real problem is that when we double and partner bids 2, he might still only have four of them, but have nothing else to bid, and he has to make a stronger move with a decent five count or so. One could play 2 as a double negative with 4-3 in the majors, but it is a dodgy area.

If we double again and partner bids 2, any further move shows a rock-crusher. 3 for me just about does not exist, since partner has not promised five and we never have four.

Edit: slightly confused by the change of 1 bidders, but I feel little love for this hand either way.
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Posted 2013-May-23, 17:21

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(1S)-P
(2D)-??

Who bid 1S? opponent?
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Posted 2013-May-24, 03:47

  • balanced 20-22hcp without 4crd spades
  • balanced 18-20hcp with only 2 spades
  • 3crd spade support, 17-19 (with 20+ you should bid 3D)

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Posted 2013-May-24, 04:02

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(1S)-P
(2D)-??


Your hand fits your 3rd sequence.
But now you give another sequence in which I double again with this hand.

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Posted 2013-May-24, 05:26

View Postcnszsun, on 2013-May-23, 17:21, said:

Who bid 1S? opponent?

edited: partner
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Posted 2013-May-24, 05:31

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-??

If you keep everything the same as when Opener has not rebid 2, except that 2NT (instead of 1NT) shows 19-21; 3 (instead of 2) is the GOSH with clubs; and X replaces the cue bid then you will not go too far wrong.
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Posted 2013-May-24, 16:20

X then 2N just shows a more flexible hand). They don't show different strengths. For instance, with Ax KQxx Ax AKJxx I would double again before bidding 2N. With xx Kxx AQT AKQJx I would just bid 2N.
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Posted 2013-May-24, 16:29

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-May-23, 11:44, said:

I would pass.

I think a second double starts at about a 3424 good 18. Although we have 19, this hand is junky. If partner can't bid again, that's fine. The real problem is that when we double and partner bids 2, he might still only have four of them, but have nothing else to bid, and he has to make a stronger move with a decent five count or so. One could play 2 as a double negative with 4-3 in the majors, but it is a dodgy area.

If we double again and partner bids 2, any further move shows a rock-crusher. 3 for me just about does not exist, since partner has not promised five and we never have four.

Edit: slightly confused by the change of 1 bidders, but I feel little love for this hand either way.


IMO Xing again with only a good 18+ is too sound. I would double again with like 16.

Still, after doubling again obviously pass with 18 and KJ doubleton of diamonds.
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Posted 2013-May-24, 16:30

double post
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Posted 2013-May-27, 08:58


N, W and E are GIB.
NS reached a good contract. Bad bidding and Lucky or Good bidding?
Hand given by a team mate.
I thought that DBL..DBL..2NT would have been better then DBL..DBL..3S; maybe showing some S-support and a single stop in D. Or would that show a much better hand?
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Posted 2013-May-27, 09:05

View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-May-24, 16:20, said:

X then 2N just shows a more flexible hand). They don't show different strengths. For instance, with Ax KQxx Ax AKJxx I would double again before bidding 2N. With xx Kxx AQT AKQJx I would just bid 2N.

Is Ax=KQxx=Ax=AKJxx the minimum for DBL..DBL..2NT?
Or would Kx=KJxx=Axx=AQJx also be sufficient?
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Posted 2013-May-27, 09:20

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-27, 08:58, said:

NS reached a good contract. Bad bidding and Lucky or Good bidding?

I can picture getting to 5C after that second double, and probably wouldn't get the 2S rebid by partner with a full six-count and only 4 spades.

But, the answer is "lucky"...lucky we didn't get blown out of the water right away by a 1NT opening from East.
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