[PhilKing]

MrAce, on 2013-June-30, 11:38, said:

If pd is showing spades and a reasonable hand, why are we still asking him to choose ? Don't we have a decent support ? With nothing else in other suits ? And pd already knows we have a solid minor.

Even if we are confident that 4♥ will be recieved by pd as COG, it would be more suitable with hands like J xx AKQJxxx Axx or xx xx AKQJxxx Ax imo. If he is bidding 3♠ with only 5, is it too much to expect him to hold KQxxx or even KQTxx ?

Perhaps i am thinking way too simple but if 3♠ showing spades and a reasonable hand, i am bidding 4♠.

Raising to Four Spades is hard to fault, but if pard has KQxxx and the club ace, I prefer to be in Five Diamonds. I don't think I would bid Four Hearts on your example hands.

[Zelandakh]

benlessard, on 2013-June-29, 10:39, said:

But with no discussion I would assume that 3S is NF and 4H is COG.

3♠ as non-forcing makes little sense to me. If we have a bunch of cheese just advance 4♣ to play in partner's minor.

[benlessard]

I prefer that 3S is forcing and a punt, but if 3S has to show spades than I agree that 3S has to show some points since with cheese its impossible that spades will play better than 4m, but if you want to force to game with 5S good S or 6 bad I can bid 4H , so the only purpose i see for 3S forcing are half a stoppers hands and hands with 6S good spades (where partner can raise with xx) and slammish hands, but IMO there is going a lot more of hands with 5or6 spades and so-so values where 3S might be the best contract, I dont think its close at all. This is of course if you bid 3H in a modern way like with a solid 7 carder + side king.

With Axxxxx and a side A/K, It look pretty nice to me to be able to play 3S.