[Behemont1]

partner is on the first position, he passes, right opp opens 1♣, you hold (nonvul vs vul)

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what is your bid and why?

[MrAce]

Pass. Why not ?

[Hanoi5]

Pass. No reason to interrupt them on their way to a slam which might not make when partner leads passively and scores his ♦Kx and another trick somewhere.

[Lord Molyb]

our style opens balanced 10+ and unbalanced 11+ so I will overcall 2♦, as opponents are likely cold for game
move my ♣Q over to diamonds and I consider 3♦

[ArtK78]

A rational bridge player will pass. But, as I say when I play Texas Holdem, any two cards can win. So any bid might work.

[neilkaz]

This is even a clearer pass than the hand in your last thread.

[neilkaz]

This is even a clearer pass than the hand in your last thread.

Sorry for double post, but maybe this needs to be said twice. Mods please delete this double post.

[the hog]

Pass. I would not contemplate a bid here.

[JLOGIC]

I would try 3D at favorable opposite a passed hand, it is likely they have slam and you are unlikely to get doubled (LHO will fear trap passing at this vul unless he has 5 diamonds since it might well go AP and even if partner does X they have to get 800 to make it worth even a little which means you are held to 5 tricks, and he probably has some heart length). 3D is much better than 2D for making them miss slam since you might get a heavy 3N bid, or 3H 4D and a heavy 4H bid since they have no room. You also might score the CQ due to bidding. Even partner jumping to 5D over 3H will rate to be good for us imo even though it seems scary, it is doubtful we go for more than 800 if they don't have slam and we have removed keycard/made them guess when it's likely they have a big heart fit if that happens (partner will usually not bid 5D with good hearts over 3H!).

I prefer 3D, 1D, and 2D to passing for sure though, I probably prefer 1N to pass also depending on circumstances.

I am fully ready to be berated by mikeh for this view

[gnasher]

JLOGIC, on 2013-October-31, 01:53, said:

I am fully ready to be berated by mikeh for this view

I agree with it, if that's any use to you.

[Behemont1]

why do you believe 3♦ is not good here? they surely have a game, if W doesn't have 5card M he will probably double. partner can now raise to 4♦ and make it harder for opps to find the right major to play. during the play declarer will prolly put me for some diamond values and perhaps missplay the hand.
pass was my first idea as well, but after i gave it a thought, 3d seems like a good shot..

[Trinidad]

3♦

Particularly since they opened 1♣: The least descriptive opening bid.

After a 1♠ opening you might think that a weak jump overcall is futile. But after 1♣ the opponents still need to start describing their hands and 3♦ works as a real preempt.

This is one of those situations where I can get (silently) annoyed with my team mates. Our opponents interfere with this hand and we need to sort out (read: guess) where we belong and how high. Our team mates treat these jump overcalls with disdain: they will never preempt on this kind of garbage (and absolutely never at IMPs) and their opponents have a nice undisturbed auction to the optimal contract. When we fail to reach that optimal contract, they will know how we sh/could have reached it, despite the interference. On top of that, we should have had a better list, given that we were playing against -obviously- inferior (or mad) opponents.

When I interfere with a hand like this, and my opponents don't get to their optimal contract, then we were lucky because our opponents didn't know how to bid. Our team mates who didn't get the interference, just tell each other how good their bidding system is, since it got them to the optimum contract.

On the other hand, when my team mates face such preempts and they land in the wrong contract, we are very understanding. Most of the time, it was a push anyway.

Rik

[Trinidad]

neilkaz, on 2013-October-30, 19:20, said:

This is even a clearer pass than the hand in your last thread.

How can you say that?

With the hand in the last thread the deal could well belong to your side and you didn't know what suit you wanted to play in. You don't have any expectation what the par score on the board would be. And hence, you don't have any points in the bank that you can risk by preempting.

On this hand, you know the hand belongs to the opponents. They will have a vulnerable game and perhaps more. You have 650 points that you are allowed to burn with your action: Any score better than -650 will be good. Let's make the result as random as can be.

Rik

[Endymion77]

3♦ is fine, 1♠ might work on occasion, but I would probably pass. I really don't like the Qxx in clubs.

[neilkaz]

Trinidad, on 2013-October-31, 04:01, said:

How can you say that?

With the hand in the last thread the deal could well belong to your side and you didn't know what suit you wanted to play in. You don't have any expectation what the par score on the board would be. And hence, you don't have any points in the bank that you can risk by preempting.

On this hand, you know the hand belongs to the opponents. They will have a vulnerable game and perhaps more. You have 650 points that you are allowed to burn with your action: Any score better than -650 will be good. Let's make the result as random as can be.

Rik

I realize that 3rd seat at these colors is open season for preempting and other subterfuge, but my experiences preempting with garbage like this has been awful. PD's continually bury me with bad sacs taking my preempt to be a more classical preempt and (hard to believe) sometimes think that their near opener is now worth a bid after their initial pass. The last time I made this sort of bid in 3rd seat at these colors I went for 1100 after PD sac'd 5D with a hand where I couldn't fault him for his sac, and it would've been 1400 vs optimal defense, and all the opps were cold for was +650 as they had no slam.

It seems the modern way is just to take your shot and bid 3D anyhow and hope that the opps can't sort it out.

[billw55]

I think I would try some operations at matchpoints but pass at IMPs.

[Cyberyeti]

billw55, on 2013-October-31, 14:12, said:

I think I would try some operations at matchpoints but pass at IMPs.

I've had some success with 1♠/1N on this sort of hand.