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First action over 1D

Poll: First action over 1D (50 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call

  1. Double (45 votes [90.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.00%

  2. Two clubs (4 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  3. One spade (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 1NT (Raptor, two-suited) (1 votes [2.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.00%

  5. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   roo72 

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Posted 2014-November-11, 20:35

It's just a simple choice of your first call. There is no trick to it, no right/wrong answer - I am simply curious what is your preferred bidding style when it comes to overcalls.

Red versus green, your right hand opponent opens natural 1. You hold:
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Posted 2014-November-13, 08:01

This is not an overcall, it's a t/o dble.
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Posted 2014-November-26, 21:37

Obvious Raptor over 1--inappropriate over 1, with me Raptor implies lack of support for the fourth suit.
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Posted 2014-December-12, 23:56

View Postmikestar13, on 2014-November-26, 21:37, said:

Obvious Raptor over 1--inappropriate over 1, with me Raptor implies lack of support for the fourth suit.


Really?? You are FAR too good for a Polish NT overcall over anything, (sometimes called Raptor). PNT is in the range of 9-14. On this hand I X.
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Posted 2014-December-14, 18:17

View Postthe hog, on 2014-December-12, 23:56, said:

Really?? You are FAR too good for a Polish NT overcall over anything, (sometimes called Raptor). PNT is in the range of 9-14. On this hand I X.


Really not if for a partnership it shows 9-14, I assumed from the poll that this hand is in range or only slightly out of it for the methods being used, and surely some people must play Polish/Raptor with a stronger range than the 9-14 that you cite as best/most common range, I defer to your expertise about the best range for it--I don't actually play the convention. But if Raptor is possible as a reasonable choice over 1, it must be a reasonable choice over a 1 opening, where the shape is right.

My main point is, that even if a partnership deems Raptor right on values over 1, it is wrong on shape. I could have presented this better.
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Posted 2015-January-01, 21:52

Interesting. I'd have bid 2 over this, on the grounds that my suit is excellent, doubling risks losing it (I'd X on a lot of hands with eg Qx in clubs, and I don't rate myself strong enough to X and then bid them), and I hope to be able to double later to show pretty much this shape.

Am I right in thinking the hands doublers fear are basically those with 8 card fits in the majors mediocre points and no great club fit, where 2 gets passed out with game on?
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Posted 2015-January-05, 08:59

The overcall will work well if partner can scrap up a 2M advance. If he can't, you might end up playing the wrong suit. The take out dbl will work well in just about all scenarios.

Hence, dbl.
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Posted 2015-June-19, 17:10

View PostJinksy, on 2015-January-01, 21:52, said:

Interesting. I'd have bid 2 over this, on the grounds that my suit is excellent, doubling risks losing it (I'd X on a lot of hands with eg Qx in clubs, and I don't rate myself strong enough to X and then bid them), and I hope to be able to double later to show pretty much this shape.

Am I right in thinking the hands doublers fear are basically those with 8 card fits in the majors mediocre points and no great club fit, where 2 gets passed out with game on?

hard to make game in 5 double has better chance for game
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Posted 2015-June-19, 17:19

View PostJinksy, on 2015-January-01, 21:52, said:

Am I right in thinking the hands doublers fear are basically those with 8 card fits in the majors mediocre points and no great club fit, where 2 gets passed out with game on?

Well those are awful situations indeed but even if someone told me 'hey you will have to play a 2-level contract. There is no game.' I'd double since I have such awesome support for both majors. I feel like +> (where each symbol means the likelihood to find a nice contract there).
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