[Wackojack]

iandayre, on 2014-November-14, 19:24, said:

I would double. As for the follow ups, at IMPS I would bid 3C over 2H or 2C. I would pass 3H. At matchpoints I would probably pass 2H, otherwise the same actions.

Thankyou. You are so far the only poster who has said what they would do for the follow-ups to the double. I am particularly interested in the types of hand that 2♥, 3♥ and 2♣ describes. Unless partner has a good idea of the types of hand these responses describe his next bid will be a shot in the dark. So here is something to knock down or endorse:
1♣-(x)-p-?
2♥ = 9-11 4 cards (or fewer with 5 cards)
3♥ = typically 8 losers invite opposite a min double promising 5 cards
2♣ = 12+ game force or not?

[whereagles]

There is no universal standard for those bids, but the following is textbook on some regions:

1♣ dbl pass ??

2♥ = 8-10 and 4 cards, OR 5-7 and 5 cards OR, 2-4 and 6 cards.
3♥ = guarantees 5 cards. 8-10 if 5 cards, 5-7 if 6 cards.
2♣ = 8+ if 44 majors, 11+ if only one 4-card major. Auto-forcing through 3M.

[aguahombre]

whereagles, on 2014-November-16, 09:09, said:

There is no universal standard for those bids, but the following is textbook on some regions:

1♣ dbl pass ??

2♥ = 8-10 and 4 cards, OR 5-7 and 5 cards OR, 2-4 and 6 cards.
3♥ = guarantees 5 cards. 8-10 if 5 cards, 5-7 if 6 cards.
2♣ = 8+ if 44 majors, 11+ if only one 4-card major. Auto-forcing through 3M.

Yeh, you a probably right about 2♥ and 2♣ being commonly treated as you say.

3♥, however, is debatable. I would assume something like Q 7th and out, and I recall another thread discussing that.

There are indeed answers to the OP's question about Doubler's continuations..not perfect of course, because the Double itself was ugly. The real problem is for Advancer himself after we perpetrated the Double (which we might have).

Will advancer's decision to compete at the 2-level after clubs are raised work out well? Perhaps not when his 4-bagger gets tapped in the Moysean. Or, having seen our Doubles before, will Pard just butt out?

[1eyedjack]

Wackojack, on 2014-November-16, 07:55, said:

Thankyou. You are so far the only poster who has said what they would do for the follow-ups to the double. I am particularly interested in the types of hand that 2♥, 3♥ and 2♣ describes. Unless partner has a good idea of the types of hand these responses describe his next bid will be a shot in the dark. So here is something to knock down or endorse:
1♣-(x)-p-?
2♥ = 9-11 4 cards (or fewer with 5 cards)
3♥ = typically 8 losers invite opposite a min double promising 5 cards
2♣ = 12+ game force or not?

Well I did not give my follow-ups to X because X was not my choice.
These days it is not uncommon, and certainly my preference, for cue bid and beyond (here 2C+) to be a transfer, showing 4+ cards in the next suit up and at least the values for a non-forcing natural jump shift. Double jumps, ie 3H, are up for grabs, but I play it as a long suit akin to a pre-empt.

There is (at least) one hand type that is bad for the method, which is a hand that is just worth a jump shift and has 4-4 in both unbid majors. That might in classical methods be handled via a cue bid and pass partner's major (assuming non-forcing). In the above method you have to pick a major.

[gszes]

X marks the spot

AKQ ATx xxxx xxx how many would pass with this hand over acol 1c?
I am not one of those and do to show beauty is in the eye of the
beholder QT J in the minors is not enough extra to get me to consider
1n.

I do not want to give up the 1 level with my less than perfect shape and
I am not overly concerned with missing (and maybe wrongsiding) 3n. Pass
leaves me feeling woozy and there are still 24 hands to play:) Just how much
do we want our partner to protect us in PO seat?

for me responder bidding at the
2 level = 7+ to 10-
2c = 7+ with 44 in the majors (forcing to 2M) OR 10+ with only only 1M forcing to
2N
3 level I like to reserve this for weak hands with long (6+) suits that are headed
by the A or K making 3n/4M an easy bid on occasion and at the very least warning
the doubler we may be in our last best spot. This requires many strong hands to go
through 2c but it seems to be worth it.

x = 9 1n = 5 pass = 3

[tonyb48]

Anyone for a 1D overcall?

[whereagles]

tonyb48, on 2014-November-16, 12:04, said:

Anyone for a 1D overcall?

No.

[neilkaz]

tonyb48, on 2014-November-16, 12:04, said:

Anyone for a 1D overcall?

LOL

[PhantomSac]

neilkaz, on 2014-November-16, 15:30, said:

LOL

Surely it's better than passing!

[Cthulhu D]

A 1D overcall is mental.

I play X = 15+ semi balanced here so I can freely double, which is nice. Hurray for vicariously experienced system wins. Playing standard methods, I think you have to start with X and then ask for a stop with the cue over partners rebid - a 2H or higher bid from advancer should either have the values or the shape to make game.

[ggwhiz]

Cthulhu D, on 2014-November-17, 05:51, said:

Playing standard methods, I think you have to start with X and then ask for a stop with the cue over partners rebid

I thought that in standard methods a cue agrees partners response as trumps with extras not asking for a stop

[aguahombre]

ggwhiz, on 2014-November-17, 10:27, said:

I thought that in standard methods a cue agrees partners response as trumps with extras not asking for a stop

I thought in std methods a cue suggests extra strength for the takeout double and only 3-card support for advancer's suit..unless Doubler follows after the cue with his own long suit. Certainly bidding NT with a stop is an option for advancer...even though the cue isn't exclusively asking for one.

That way, the old-fashioned method of bidding more of partner's suit if we absolutely agree his suit seems to work well.

[Wackojack]

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1♣-dbl-pass-2♥
pass -?

As North you decided you could not bear the thought of being banished if you overcalled 1NT (ggwhiz) so you doubled for take-out and partner responded 2♥ showing precisely? 4 cards and 8-10 points. So do I hear pass from North bottling out?

[aguahombre]

Wackojack, on 2014-November-18, 12:36, said:

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1♣-dbl-pass-2♥
pass -?

As North you decided you could not bear the thought of being banished if you overcalled 1NT (ggwhiz) so you doubled for take-out and partner responded 2♥ showing precisely? 4 cards and 8-10 points. So do I hear pass from North bottling out?

I hope so. Partner advanced what she thought was a takeout double of 1♣. This hand is just about as bad as it can be in support of Hearts in context.