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#1 User is offline   kuhchung 

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Posted 2015-February-19, 01:52

casual game

(p) 7H (7S) ?

x 9 xxxx AKQJT9x
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Posted 2015-February-19, 02:02

Doubles are always takeout.
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Posted 2015-February-19, 02:06

It's clear to bid 8♣ with such a good suit.
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Posted 2015-February-19, 02:10

Lead directing, obviously.
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Posted 2015-February-19, 02:27

Our second seat 7-level preempts tend to be sound, so I X for penalty.
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Posted 2015-February-19, 02:36

Partner has 10-12 hearts and ♦A for sure, the problem is if he has spade void or ♠A. The way to ask is to make a forcing pass. Hopefully partner reads our ♣A on his void. Now he can make an informed decision.
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Posted 2015-February-19, 13:04

7NT, LHO is void ♠ and is on lead
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Posted 2015-February-19, 13:33

 kuhchung, on 2015-February-19, 01:52, said:

casual game

(p) 7H (7S) ?

x 9 xxxx AKQJT9x


Double out of respect for partner's pre-empt. His bid was voluntary, but E's was forced and, at least, you should set him.

Partner has no way of knowing I hold an Ace if I pass. Maybe with two outside Aces and solid hearts, a double will let him bid 7NT. In that sense, a double might be read to mean "I don't have the Ace of Spades".
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Posted 2015-February-19, 17:09

 Free, on 2015-February-19, 13:04, said:

7NT, LHO is void ♠ and is on lead

I have no clue if you are joking or not.

I expect my partner to have 13 tricks on hand, or perhaps miss ♦Q/♦J, this requires first round control of all the suits.


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Posted 2015-February-19, 20:42

 kuhchung, on 2015-February-19, 01:52, said:

casual game


You don't say.
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Posted 2015-February-19, 22:42

 Phil, on 2015-February-19, 20:42, said:

You don't say.


Are you suggesting people don't have their bids? I trusted my partner
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Posted 2015-February-20, 00:27

Partner is quite certain to have a club void if he can actually count 13 tricks. Culbertson suggested a forcing pass on a somewhat similar hand (Blue Book, 1930), provided you can trust partner to read it, otherwise double--opponent can't have the right cards to make 13 tricks in spades if
partner has the right cards to take 13 tricks in hearts. Odds are fairly good that a stacked deck and/or sobriety impairment are involved in this deal.
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Posted 2015-February-20, 02:37

mike: I wouldn't be worried of partner pasing out, he has ♦A or ♦AK probably not very long.
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Posted 2015-February-20, 03:35

 mikestar13, on 2015-February-20, 00:27, said:

Culbertson suggested a forcing pass on a somewhat similar hand (

Yes, pass shows one ace. With two aces I would bid 7NT. This deal is why you need to know if you play pass/double inversion or not :)
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Posted 2015-February-20, 11:14

Yeah, partner had A AKJTxxxxx AKQ -- and hearts broke
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Posted 2015-February-20, 11:27

partner has the stiff ♦9 and no black cards. Who knows what the 7♠ bidder has :-)

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Posted 2015-February-20, 21:04

 kuhchung, on 2015-February-20, 11:14, said:

Yeah, partner had A AKJTxxxxx AKQ -- and hearts broke

So 7!C is the better contract. It's a shame P couldn't read the situation and place you in the proper contract rather than 7!H.
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Posted 2015-February-21, 05:39

Still waiting for PhilKing's post analysing all 2nd seat 7-level openings followed by an overcall.
Seems we could either agree that forcing pass shows one ace exactly (bid 7N with two, double with none). Or we could allow for a not completely solid trump suit, and require a little trump help (xx or singleton honour) plus an ace for a forcing pass - catering for the bad trump break that's now become likely.
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Posted 2015-February-21, 08:28

 SelfGovern, on 2015-February-20, 21:04, said:

So 7!C is the better contract. It's a shame P couldn't read the situation and place you in the proper contract rather than 7!H.

7NT is a good second best contract, RHO helped a bit :D
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Posted 2015-February-21, 11:49

We play D0P1 so clear what to do
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